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In response to stedman I don't think I am alone in finding apple products frustrating. When we first got Apple TV the film downloaded in 5 minutes, but since then, despite a 8mps download speed, the films take hour or days to download, the only difference is an apple update. Nothing I have posted is vague or misleading. Internet on the iphone5 is awful. Bluetooth is awful. Signal is awful. Great music players, good for apps and my iPad is great for browsing, but the products are flawed.