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  • Studio Engineer Level 2 Level 2 (445 points)

    parker612 wrote:

     

    Even with the updates, I don’t think FCP X will ever meet the needs of some of those professionals – but that’s okay for them and for Apple, there are other applications for the editors and many new potential clients for Apple. Apples main objective for this software was to appeal to a larger audience.

     

    NO NLE meets all the needs of anyone. In PPRO you need to enter After Effects to get Pixel Motion on Slowdowns... In FCPx you have Optical Flow which IMO is the best darn "Slow-Downer" ever emerged.

     

    FCPx's integration with Motion (If you know what you are doing Motion IS a plug-in for FPCx) is making FCPx THE NLE with the least need for roundtripping...

     

    But no matter WHAT - no APP in professional and creative process will EVER be able to replace several apps's worh of technology. A thing like Color Grading.... I used to leave AME or PPRO to get to either Davinci Resolve or AE for doing that. FCPx is so darn powerful at that, that I do ALL my color grading there. And might I add without ANY downsides. I personally think FCPx is a better environment to grade inside of than i.e. Resolve. There is literally NOTHING I cannot do due to Motion Template Integration. In grading again, the event library comes into play.. I have an event libray with Looks and Grades. All I need to do is to copy ONE adjustment layer and paste it as a connected clip... And there I am with a look that took hours to conceive applied in a second. Sure, you have that in Resolve... But its tools are so limited. And seriously non-appealing that I doubt that the next generation would wanna use it for anything... Speedgrade from adobe is vastly superior when it comes to RAW handling.. So I personally think that Resolve will die with the last facilty buying its overpriced plastic remote control ;-)

     

    To reduce FCPx as an app appealing only to a crowd of laymen is about the grandest mistake one could ever make... And would be based on Relic-Hype, rather than experience !!!

     

    FCPx shortage is NOT in its features... Its in making those features perform 100% - 100% of the time.

  • Tom Wolsky Level 10 Level 10 (110,180 points)

    What it needs to work on is audio, and I think I see this coming from the job posting. I think we'll see roles being used as stems to feed into an integrated mixer with access to Logic effects.

  • Studio Engineer Level 2 Level 2 (445 points)

    I use roles for the audio tracks... I even use roles for color grading. Pretty nice to be able to bypass 1 of 7 event effects on 200 clips with the click of a mouse ;-)

     

    But yeah... Audio could need improvement - I'd like a little mixer, myself with small faders... But then again I always export a QT movie, pull it into protools and do the editing there and then export the audio backout in a master or stems.. No NLE for that matter will ever be able to replace a DAW ;-)

  • parker612 Level 4 Level 4 (1,195 points)

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Personally, I do not think FCP X will make a come back and be as prominent in the industry as FCP was. However, I do think that other NLEs can learn from a few of the new features in FCP X.

     

    One thing that I just can not get used to is the fact that there are no tracks in FCP X. For me, being able to have several tracks to layer audio and video help keep everything organized.

     

    However, I'm sure if I take a few weeks more weeks working in FCP X, I could get used to it. I still do not like the idea of it though. It's just not for me.

  • Studio Engineer Level 2 Level 2 (445 points)

    parker612 wrote:

     

    Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Personally, I do not think FCP X will make a come back and be as prominent in the industry as FCP was. However, I do think that other NLEs can learn from a few of the new features in FCP X.

     

    One thing that I just can not get used to is the fact that there are no tracks in FCP X. For me, being able to have several tracks to layer audio and video help keep everything organized.

     

    However, I'm sure if I take a few weeks more weeks working in FCP X, I could get used to it. I still do not like the idea of it though. It's just not for me.

     

    Parker.. Try using roles for tracks... give each audio clip you would want a separate track for a role(you can even use sub roles) then you have them like tracks....

     

    At first I thought... What the heck am I EVR going to use those roles for... One weekend as none of my so-called friends had time to grab a beer, I sat down and drowned my sorrows with a bottle of Brunello, FCPx User Guide, Final Cut Pro & a Larry Jordan Spoon-Fed tutorial... After that I was very thrilled and I have been using roles extensively ever since... I might add, every day I am conjuring up new ways of using those roles ;-)

     

    FCPx can be whatever YOU want it to... Get Creative ;-)

  • parker612 Level 4 Level 4 (1,195 points)

    I'm still a student so I will definitely give FCP X another chance since I can avoid to spend time getting used to it.

     

    But I still think that Avid will be always be my go to choice. Everyone has a program that they stick close to.

     

    As for the rest of the broadcast and film industry, we will have to wait and see what happens in the next few years.

  • Dan Thomas (DAGWare) Level 1 Level 1 (105 points)

    Let me say at the outset that I don't belong in this thread. But that hasn't stopped me before <g>.

     

    All I'd like to say is that I'm a newbie to video editing, and FCP 7 and others scared the crap out of me. FCPX "had me at hello". In my opinion, Apple has managed to create an application that is accessible to true newbies like me, while (apparently) still meeting the needs of many professional editors. Think about that. How many other complex software applications have done that?

     

    Obviously it's not perfect. But look at the improvements Apple has brought, with just 7 "minor" releases. I think they're beginning to get it right.

     

    But what do I know?

     

    Dan

  • parker612 Level 4 Level 4 (1,195 points)

    Yes, for people who have not used many NLEs, FCP X is easy to pick up. It caters to the simple needs of smaller projects as well as some professional projects. However, It does not replace Avid when it comes to major broadcast and cinema projects.

  • Studio Engineer Level 2 Level 2 (445 points)

    parker612 wrote:

     

    Yes, for people who have not used many NLEs, FCP X is easy to pick up. It caters to the simple needs of smaller projects as well as some professional projects. However, It does not replace Avid when it comes to major broadcast and cinema projects.

    I'd put it differently...

     

    PC users coming to Mac (Back in the days as Mac was small) started treating OS X as they would windoze. Big Mistake. They were thinking TOO complicated and therefor tried navigating the intuitive OS X with the brute and clumsy force of windoze.

     

    I'd put FCPx vs. the rest.. into this here analogy. FCPx IS Mac OS and the older NLEs are Windoze...

     

    you say {

     

    However, It does not replace Avid when it comes to major broadcast and cinema projects.


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    I say... It does NOT replace the RELICs USED to AVID Media Composer...

     

    and too, I say {

     

    When those relics return to dust (No disrespect - we all do) they will bring AVID Media Composer with them.

    Unless AVID turns Media Composer into something intuitive.


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    one can fight progress as much as he sees fit but he can never stop it !

  • parker612 Level 4 Level 4 (1,195 points)

    I respect your opinion and can see where you're coming from. I'm not saying I completely disagree with you, because FCP X has came out with some very innovative, creative new ways to take NLEs. But I think that Avid will take some of those features, build there own version of them, and come out with some innovative ideas as well, while still maintaining some of the traditional NLE features.

     

    I'm am very interested in seeing where we will be in a few years. I think that Avid will come up with some interesting solutions.

  • Studio Engineer Level 2 Level 2 (445 points)

    I hope AVID will and adobe too... The more the competition... The better the products ;-)

     

    Exiting times indeed.

     

     

    I'm am no Apple fanboy... I am a best-software-for-me fan boy ;-)

     

    If out of the blue... PPRO had FCPx's event library 2morrrow... I'd use that.. Why not... It has superior playback performance due to OpenCL/CUDA Accell...

  • parker612 Level 4 Level 4 (1,195 points)

    Agreed.

     

    FCPX is a great and powerful software. As long as you can do everything you need to do in it and you want to work in Apple's way.

     

    I can't wait to see what Avid comes up with in the next software release.

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