14 Replies Latest reply: Apr 18, 2013 10:25 AM by Russ H
kahara Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)

I have an 8 minute ProRes file at 1920 x 1080. It takes about 20 minutes on my machine If I export this as a full res 1080p H264 file (10 Mbps) using Quicktime 10.1. Why does it take 2 hours, with the same setting using Compressor 3.5.3?


MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.7.5), 2.53 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB RAM
  • Russ H Level 6 Level 6 (17,410 points)

    What are these settings?

     

    Best if you can post screen shots.

     

    Russ

  • David M Brewer Level 6 Level 6 (9,275 points)

    Quicktime X and Compressor 3.5 uses the same codec which is 32 bit. Compressor will be faster if you setup a Quick Cluster in the Qmaster perfs.

     

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  • kahara Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)

    This didn't help at all. Rendering times are still 5 times longer than when using Quicktime export. A simple 3 minute video can easily take 1,5 hour to export in compressor, where it takes about 10 minutes to export using quicktime X.

     

    Any suggestions?

  • darbypsnm Level 3 Level 3 (720 points)

    In my experience QT is usually faster even with Qmaster running well. That doesn't always mean better and there are way more controls in Compressor.

     

    Without being able to see what all the tabs are set to in Compressor there is no panacea answer.

     

    Do you have frame controls turned on to best?

    Are you doing single pass in QT vs 2 pass in Compressor?

  • kahara Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)

    I'm not sure what settings Quicktime uses, they're preset. I will try to figure out what the preset settings are.

  • darbypsnm Level 3 Level 3 (720 points)

    If you open your PR file in QT and do export/movie to quicktime movie and click options/you will see the movie settings window and  you can change numerous things in regards to codec, size, data rate, audio, etc. You can also see what the default is and then try and match that in Compressor to get a more accurate apples to apples comparison.

     

    There are very similar settings in Compressor when you click on the encoder tab in the inspector window for the setting. If frame controls(tab is same name next to encoder) are on and set to best your render times will increase greatly.

  • kahara Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)

    I don't understand what you're referring to. I'm using the export feature of Quicktime X. To my knowledge is doesn't provide any export options, just presets.

  • Russ H Level 6 Level 6 (17,410 points)

    Something is seriously wrong if a Compressor job takes 1.5 hours to encode 3 minutes. That's why  a screenshot of yours ettings would be helpful.

     

     

    Russ

  • kahara Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)

    Name: H264 1920 x 1080 @ 10Mbps

    Description: H.264 video with stereo AAC audio. Settings based off the source resolution and frame-rate.

    File Extension: mov

    Estimated size: 4.61 GB/hour of source

    Audio Encoder

              AAC, Stereo (L R), 48,000 kHz

    Video Encoder

              Format: QT

              Width: 1920

              Height: 1080

              Pixel aspect ratio: Square

              Crop: None

              Padding: None

              Frame rate: (100% of source)

              Frame Controls: Automatically selected: Off

              Codec Type: H.264

              Multi-pass: On, frame reorder: On

              Pixel depth: 24

              Spatial quality: 75

              Min. Spatial quality: 25

              Temporal quality: 50

              Min. temporal quality: 25

              Average data rate: 10.24 (Mbps)

     

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  • Russ H Level 6 Level 6 (17,410 points)

    Some of Compressor's presets are single pass and some are double pass. Jobs that use double pass will take twice as long.  The choice can be made in the inspector.

     

    In addition to a screenshot of the setting (s) you refer to in your first post it would also be helpful to know something about your system…what yours system specs are.

     

    And FWIW – as Darbypsnm mentioned, faster is not necessarily better. The main "selling point" of Compressor has never been that it's the fastest encoder. Rather it can do a wide range of things (like changing standards, motion-compensated de-interlacing, image sequences, and more) and controls that can minimize artifacts when down-converting HD material. Another very good app, MPEG Streamclip, is noticeably faster than Compressor, but while I use it often, I don't think it delivers quite the quality that Compressor…so for critical projects I use the slower software.

     

    Russ

  • darbypsnm Level 3 Level 3 (720 points)

    Apologies, I overlooked the 10 reference in the first post.

     

    What is this file being used for?

    Where will it playback?

  • kahara Level 1 Level 1 (30 points)

    Hi Russ,

    I'm not talking about the presets in Compressor, but the presets in Quicktime X. I understand that double will take longer than single. My system is mentioned under my post.

     

    I am very happy with the QT X exports, so I am merely trying to figure out what settings to use in Compressor to get the same results, both in quality as well as in export duration. The quality of a 3 minute export in Compressor (after 1,5 hours of rendering) is not any different in quality to the export from QT X which only took 10 minutes. So I'm wondering what's going on?

  • Russ H Level 6 Level 6 (17,410 points)

    kahara wrote:

     

    So I'm wondering what's going on?

    I am wondering as much.

     

    By way of comparison an h.264 encode (with your screenshot's settings) of a 3 1/4 minute clip  took my not-so-speedy 4 year old iMac 16 minutes. That was with multipass selected and without submitting to my Quick Cluster. (If I had used single pass, I would expect that it would have taken 8 minutes. For such a short clip, I'm not sure whether using clusters would have sped it up much. But if I have a moment later today, I'll test it.)

     

    Russ

  • Russ H Level 6 Level 6 (17,410 points)

    FYI, here's an update on that test..

     

    I did the same encoding job, but with single pass, and submitting to Clusters. It took 5 minutes, ± a couple seconds.

     

    Using Clusters had a bigger impact than I had thought it would on this short file (David's probably nodding). I anticipated 8 minutes single pass without using Clusters, so it appears Clusters produced nearly a 40% time savings. Not bad.

     

    Russ