6 Replies Latest reply: Mar 11, 2013 3:24 AM by Klaus1
JBfromNB Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

I have created several home movies in imovie and am now ready to burn them to DVDs that family members can play on their DVD players. How am I supposed to do this? iDVD did not come with my imac. How does apple want us to do this? Thanks.

iMovie '11, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.2)
  • Bengt Wärleby Level 6 Level 6 (19,450 points)



    How does apple want us to do this? Thanks.


    They don't ! It's to be true, a real SLAP in the Face ! - The worst BAD-WILL thing to do since iMovie'08 and FinalCut Pro X.


    If there is no iDVD on Your Mac (and it's not on newer Macs as Apple discarded it) then You need a program that can do this.

    Your Mac can burn CDs and DVDs - BUT DVD as Data-DVDs not as Video-DVDs - they need a program to be encoded and STRUCTURED as such.

    • iDVD is part of the boxed version of iLife'11 and can only be bought outside Apple as on Amazon and e-bay

    • DVD Studio pro - Part of FinalCut Studio Pro bundle - this to has expired and can only be bought second handed. (High price and tough learning Curve - but best ever done.)

    • Roxio Toast™ - Not as elegant as iDVD - but has many other positive additions (I like it as 10-Pro incl BD-component) (now version 11)

    • Burn - only free alternative I know of on internet. Very simple - Just for doing a plain Video-DVD

    Burn http://www.digital-digest.com/software/Burn.html

    only You can buy from Apple is

    • FinalCut Pro-X which also can burn to DVD but without any nice themes.



    You can also buy Compressor from Apple for $50 US. It will also create DVD and BluRay but without the nice themes.


    Yours Bengt W

  • Klaus1 Level 8 Level 8 (46,965 points)

    Why is there no iDVD on my new Mac? How do I get it, and how do I install it?


    Apple insists that the entire world has access to fast broadband (and are prepared to pay for the considerable bandwidth usage) and wants to distribute home movies to friends and relatives via download (iCloud, YouTube, Facebook, whatever) rather than mailing them a DVD. The fact that in reality not all users do, has so far had no effect on this policy. Some purchasers of new iMacs have reported that if you scream and shout loudly enough down the phone to Apple, they may send you a free copy of iDVD. Stating that they would return their brand new Mac unless they received a copy of iDVD worked for some, but that is now said to have been withdrawn by Apple.


    Also, you can complain bitterly via Apple’s Feedback link, perhaps suggesting that Apple could have provided a choice between burning DVDs and distributing home movies by other means. You may feel that Apple should not dictate how you destribute family videos or photos to distant relatives and friends, and should not assume that every user is prepared to pay for the excessive bandwidth usage charged by ISPs for huge downloads from the App Store:




    Whilst Macs with a Superdrive continue to be able to burn video DVDs, the software for so doing, iDVD, is no longer included in the iLife bundle that comes with OS 10.7 Lion (which also omitted iWeb) or that comes with OS 10.8 Mountain Lion. And it is no longer included in the iLife 11 from the online Apple Store: http://www.apple.com/ilife/. As there is no satisfactory substitute for iDVD Your only solution is to look on Amazon or eBay and try to get an older version that includes iDVD 7, i.e. iLife version 9 onwards. You should also do this if you plan to buy a new Mac anytime soon, as stocks of iLife that include iDVD will not be available for ever.


    However, the vastly more expensive FCPX can burn a DVD without iDVD or DVD Studio Pro involvement, but lack the themes etc of iDVD. Also, of course, there is Roxio Toast, which is the best software for burning anything but again does not offer the flexibility of iDVD.


    It is worth noting that the version of iDVD 7 included with iLife 11 only includes themes from iDVD 5-7. If you want all the older themes you should buy iLife 9, which has the same version of iDVD 7 but with all the themes, and none of the iDVD 7 updaters available from Apple Downloads contain them.


    Currently the only certain way to get all themes is to start with the iLife 09 disc:

    https://discussions.apple.com/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadImage/2-21006826-20751 4/Installer001.jpg


    This shows the iDVD contents in the iLife 09 disc via Pacifist:

    https://discussions.apple.com/servlet/JiveServlet/downloadImage/2-21006826-20748 0/Pacifist001.jpg


    You then can upgrade from iDVD 7.0.3 to iDVD 7.1.2 via the updaters at the Apple Downloads webpage.


    But even though you can still buy iLife 9 or 11 that includes iDVD 7 from Amazon, Apple now make it difficult to install:


    When you try to install iDVD you may see a notice come up on the screen stating that the 'Authorisation Licence' had expired on 25 March 2012, because Apple have withdrawn the license to it can no longer be used.

    In other words Apple are now so adamant that we don’t use iDVD that they have tried to make it impossible to install.


    If you get an invalid certificate message just set your Mac's clock to sometime before early 2011 and run the installer.  After installing iDVD reset the time back to the correct time on your Mac.

    You may be to use able to use the installer even without setting back the date.  Just click on the Continue button and it should work as expected, but for some it will not continue unless the date is  set back.


    Additional comments:


    Apple has clearly indicated in the newest iMacs, Mac mini and Retina Display MacBook Pro that it plans to phase out optical disc drives as soon as possible across the board, providing an external USB drive as an option for users who need one but which is not universally compatible with all Macs.


    Users increasingly have fewer opportunities to use optical drives, as the bulk of third party software is now available as a digital download either directly from the vendor or through Apple's App Store. but not all. Apple also sees digital distribution as the future of music and movies, as exemplified in Apple TV, which has never included an optical drive.


    The company has never supported any new HD optical disc formats on its products, including Microsoft's ill fated HD-DVD or Sony's Blu-ray format, despite initially being involved in the Blu-ray standardization process. Instead, Apple has put its resources behind developing increasingly higher definition audio and video formats that it can distribute electronically through its own iTunes Store.


    And if you think Microsoft are any better, their latest Windows 8 operating system will not play DVDs, or burn them, unless customers buy an extra upgrade, the company has announced:  http://www.gizmag.com/windows-8-no-dvd-playback/22443/


    In other words, computer manufacturers have declared optical media as dead, long before consumers are ready to stop using them, which is fine as long as they offered us a choice, but they won’t even do that. Flexibility and intuitive use of a computer seems to be a thing of the past.


    The latest anorexic iMacs do not even include a CD drive (or Firewire)! Proof positive that Apple virtually prohibit the use of optical media - although the newly announced Mac Minis do include a Superdrive.


    Yet, they still include iMovie! Heaven alone knows or understands what you are supposed to do with your newly edited masterpiece - except make a low quality version for YouTube?

  • AppleMan1958 Level 7 Level 7 (27,400 points)

    See this post from Karsten for several options including a free option that you can download.


  • John Cogdell Level 5 Level 5 (4,605 points)

    Hi Klaus,


    Just thought it worthwhile mentioning some alternatives to DVDs for the benefit of other members here who may not be familiar with other ways to view their finished product.


    One option is to export a high definition version (HD 1080p or HD 720p) from iMovie using Share > Export Movie. Copy the exported file to a USB flash drive or a portable hard drive, then connect the drive to a media player. Media players connect to the HDMI port on most modern widescreen TV's, allowing Full HD playback in 1920 x 1080 resolution (if edited and exported at that resolution) - much superior to the standard definition on a DVD. Some "Smart TVs" actually allow playback directly through a USB port on the TV, via a supported device.


    Another option is to save the exported HD video to iTunes on your computer (Mac or Windows). Then play the video from iTunes in Full HD via an Apple TV connected to your widescreen TV through an HDMI port.


    I guess I'm fortunate in that I have both an Apple TV and a separate media player. But I still use DVDs for family and friends (and usually keep a copy for myself as well as saving a Disk Image). Generally for wedding videos for family and friends I provide several standard definition DVDs together with a USB flash drive containing the high definition version.


    A further option is to use online sites, such as YouTube (as you mentioned) or Vimeo. For a recent project (50th wedding anniversary) I published a 40 minute high definition version to Vimeo. This was appreciated by the couple and their family members (some interstate), as they were able to view the video online prior to receiving a DVD, which was presented to them later.


    Like you, I will also be saddened to see the demise of DVDs, but there are other options - generally of superior quality - including those I've discussed above. However, it's always a nice feeling to have in our possession a physical copy of our "edited masterpiece".



  • Karsten Schlüter Level 7 Level 7 (31,655 points)

    Klaus1 wrote:

    …  Yet, they still include iMovie! Heaven alone knows or understands what you are supposed to do with your newly edited masterpiece - except make a low quality version for YouTube?

    may I add my thoughts on this?


    • years ago (iMovie-a alive) i read an article, iMovie was the at-least-used app from the iLife package! Imagine my reaction (me, the Spielberg-wannabe) on that fact! I don't know a single person (except me) using Garageband, nobody (except me) used iWeb, but I know dozens of Daddy-does-movies people!

    => 'we' do have a special perspective on that ...


    • not based on facts, but: the sheer majority of YT-videos is mobile-phone-stuff (and TV/disk rip-offs). no need for Desktop editing, nor disk delivery


    • I lately purchased a new camcorder - even the biggest shops here offer max 8-10 diff. devices. 'movies' is a by-product of stills and phones. you take 'a shot' (=30sec) and want to share it instantly


    • they had ONE SDef device! even the tiny GoPros offer HDef (and beyond, 4k!) … so, DVD would only show a quarter of recorded quality ....


    • my son (teenager) spends more time at YT than in front of a telly


    • more and more households in my area don't even own a (connected) DVDplayer, but ask me for 'a stick' when they want some movin' images




    I guess, we homebrewn-movie-makers are a tiny, really tiny minority.

    with some efford (getting iDVD somehow, ext. burner) we can create disks

    but sticks offer a better quality, video-hosters offer a better quality than any DVD

    in my home, iTunes/AppleTV offer a better quality



    last word:

    iDVD should be a 'free' download.- for those, who need disks.

  • Klaus1 Level 8 Level 8 (46,965 points)

    Yep, you are right Karsten. Some of us like to live in the recent past. I have never used Garageband or iWeb, but iMovie 6 and iDVD 7 are mainstays of my creativity!