I understand that they can't run, but nobody is able to explain why. I can't just through my Mac Pro in garbage because I can't upgrade. Why do I have to upgrade? Well, Sibelius 7 works only in Mountain Lion, and soon, many other software will.
What do I have to change in my mac pro to make it compatible for upgrading to the latest version of mac?
Thanks
Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.6.8), Finale
It has been said many times that its EFI 1.1 is from 2005 and 32-bit and limited to 32-bit driver architecture and especially its out of date PCIe 1.1 limitations.
You would have trouble installing 64-bit Windows Vista SP2 and above also.
There are whateveryoucall it boot loaders out there for Mac and Hackinitosh that do a pre-boot off a loader and get around.
but if you really need more than Lion and you need a true full 64-bit kernel / drivers / addressing and registers... then maybe. Of course support for a system that is 7 yrs old (8 if you included the year in engineering and protype June 2005) that isn't bad.
A Mac Mini i5 3770 w/ Intel 4000 graphics isn't going to cost much and with its Thunderbolt be a nice 4-core system.
The Mac Plus was loved by many and cost as much as your Mac Pro did originally had to face death toll.
Thanks for the response.
So if you are to build a Mac from scratch, can you do it, like I did with a PC that I built by myself?
I am asking, because if there is part of my mac that doesn't work with the 64 bit, assuming that there is a hardware inside my mac that needs replace, am I going to be able to do it? (Probably, Apple should help here if we pay something extra).
Thanks again,
Apple's Mac business model is based on charging near market rates for Hardware, and handing you the excellent software that works well with it -- Mac OS X and iLife and iWork software -- for very cheap money.
It is not in their interests to have you buy the components elsewhere and build a Hackintosh. Apple will not help you, and postings here providing help are subject to removal.
The 'company line' is, "Sell your old Mac and buy one that better meets your needs. It will be well-supported and trouble-free -- Or bring it to the genius Bar and we will evaluate it, FREE, in warranty or out."
No I am not advising you build (it won't be a Mac)
You can't slap in new logicboard w/ Mountain Lion support (EFI64 is UEFI 2.x standard).
I am saying a Mac-Mini might let you use new software.
If you want to stay with the Mac Pro then I would look at 2009 ($1200) or later in used, or 2010 in Apple Store Specials ($1819)
Or search out the alternatives which are not endorsed or supported on various web sites and forums (but not Apple's).
Me? I run Windows 8 on mine. Windows PC parts and upgrades you can have a nice system
I just built one and the specs were huge improvement over what iMac or Mac-Mini for an under $1000 system.
cpu i5 3770 quad core 3.5GHz $220
GTX 660, $220
16GB DDR3 $100 (I had 3x4GB DDR3 from before)
$79 UEFI motherboard Gigabyte,
Windows 8 supports UEFI (my last Intel PC died after a firmware update I should have avoided.)
Copy of Windows 7 or 8
case and PSU $150-300
for $900 to $1,000
Add SSD and hard drives. Samsung 840 SSD $95, WD 1TB Black $90
Also if you want a higher end boards pay more. Same with processor.
When a new processor comes out, may need to just factor in $300 for cpu and $200 for motherboard probably. But you can't do that with Mac.
A 7 yr old system with 4 or 8-core like yours (and mine) still does what it would and more just not the iCandy and a rare 3rd party app. And I doubt someone can be selling an app that requires a Mac with 64-bit kernel only. You can run 64-bit apps.
ML opens up addressing more than 4GB of memory per task, not a must but does help CS6 users with huge files.
And I would not visit a site that req'd java (not just java script) and seems to have lots of torrent users and activation keys but that is your business and if it is what you need as the best tool for your business and music production which is out of my field.
Most software has had to deal with move away from PowerPC and Rosetta and away from "Carbon" coded apps to more Mac OS friendly and better code foundation and compliers.
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Thank you for your response. I understand what are you saying, but I think Apple should be proud to help 7 year old expensive computers, and not just tell you " buy a new one, your computer is old. I guess that's how they can make more money, selling you complitely a new computer. Nothing wrong with my computer, just the motherboard is built 7 years ago. And this is not a couple of hundreds of dollars, so I don't care if I buy a new one.
Some users are irate that these devices do not last forever.
If you substitute "Car" for "computer", it can make the picture appear differently.
You do not expect your car to last forever. Things in your car wear out. You can choose to repair and replace them, but technology moves forward and soon you have a dated, beat-up car that is not as nice as other people's cars. If your car does not go fast enough, you do not scream at the dealer that they did not provide a way to swap in the bigger engine. You sell your old, used car and get one that better suits your needs.
Xeon motherboards for any workstation, support for dual processors, like eVGA SR-2 and others, run in the $600 ballpark.
Laptops and iMacs are out grown and require more replacement and upgrades - parts fail, can't expand - whereas yours you can add RAM easier today, faster hdds, VERY limited in terms of supporting new GPUs (10.8.2 and PCIe 2.1+)
Intel is no different. They no longer provide parts and support for 2008 X58 and more.
Don't buy Macs, or use yours but with Windows (getting Windows 7 Pro 64-bit is tricky but what you need to support two processors, more than 16GB RAM and overcome Intel-MS-Windows requirements for an EFI based system. It is not just Apple. UEFI support came out very end of 2007. You want to rewrite history though and put a larger EFI into a small ROM.
I am glad you compared cars with computers.
With a new good car, you go easy 10 years. And if you are like me, you buy warranty for 10 years or 100,000 miles. Then, you decide to fix it, or to buy a new one, as I usually do. Still can be fixed if you want too.
Probably not very good comparison.
writing music wrote:
Probably not very good comparison.
Try this comparison:
Your nine year old car does not have:
• A Navagation System
• A Satellite radio
• Bluetooth
• iPod/iPhone interoperability
• A hybrid gas/election engine
But here is the real rub:
Your 7 year old Mac Pro continues to run Sebelius 4, just like on the day you bought it! So what are you b*tching about?
"Nothing is wrong" with your Sebelius 4. So you can go along on your merry way and continue with running it on your Mac Pro for years to come!
Oh, wait: you want the new "bells & whistles" like Nav, Sat radio, bluetooth, ipod connector and a hybrid engine for your Sebelius by purchasing version 7.
We do not hear you complaining about paying the software publisher the money it requires for the research & development, programmers, marketing and everything else that is required to continuously bring state of the art software to the marketplace; that is OK with you!
But it is not OK for you for Apple to do the same thing to bring state of the art hardware (and OS X) to the market that is needed for the software publisher to update Sebelius to work with all the new bells & whistles of version 7.
Stay with Sebelius 4 or pay the piper, it's that simple!
MichaelLAX wrote:
Your 7 year old Mac Pro continues to run Sebelius 4, just like on the day you bought it! So what are you b*tching about?
Since you seem to be so smart, at least get it right; it's Sibelius and not Sebelius. Jean Sibelius is a Finnish composer and brothers Finn got the name after him.
Now, if you read carefully, I don't use Sibelius, I use Finale 2011. But since I am having problems with Finale in my Mac Pro (works fine from other computers), I thought to give it a try on the 30 day trial of Sibelius 7. When I was about to download the software, I read that it works only in Mountain Lion. And I was looking to find other versions of Sibelius online, but I couldn't find.
I thank you all for your responses. I don't need anybody to respond anymore after this message.
Thanks again
writing music wrote:
...at least get it right:
Minimum hardware requirements
Minimum requirements for Sibelius 7 software only
Windows: Windows XP SP3 (32-bit only), Windows Vista SP2 with the Platform Update Pack or later, Windows 7 SP1 or later, Windows 8 (although not Windows RT), 1 GB+ RAM, 750 MB hard disk space, DVD-ROM drive
Mac: Mac OS X 10.6.7 or later, Mac OS X 10.7, Mac OS X 10.8, 1 GB+ RAM, 750 MB hard disk space, DVD-ROM drive
Recommendations for Sibelius 7 Sounds sample library*
Windows: Intel Core 2 Duo (or equivalent) or better, 4 GB+ total physical RAM, 40 GB total hard disk space (7200 rpm or faster drive recommended; SSD preferable), ASIO-compatible soundcard
Mac: Intel Core 2 Duo or better, 4 GB+ total physical RAM, 40 GB total hard disk space (7200 rpm or faster drive recommended; SSD preferable).
* You can use Sibelius 7 Sounds if your computer doesn't meet the recommended requirements, but you may find that you cannot use as many sounds simultaneously, and that sounds take a long time to load.
http://www.sibelius.com/products/sibelius/7/system_requirements.html
Why Mac Pro's 1,1 from 2007 can't run Mountain Lion?
