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Satto Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

I recently started using Photoshop CS6 to edit my photos from iPhoto 8.1.2. I've set up the preferences to use CS6 as my external editor, and "Use Raw when using external editor" (I am shooting raw format). The file opens fine in Adobe Bridge, I make my adjustments and bring it into Photoshop.

 

The problem comes when I try to save - previously, when I chose Save, CS6 knew to save the file back to the "Modified" folder in my iPhoto library. Now, it is saving it back to the "Originals" folder, along with an .xmp file, and of course the edited photo does not show up in iPhoto (neither in enlarged nor thumbnail views). If I choose Save As and try to save it to the Modified folder, I can't complete the path because the iPhoto library is a package and won't open in the Save As browser window.

 

How to get my save function back on track, so I can save directly back to Modified without having to import the files again?


MacBook Pro Core 2 Duo 2.33GHz, Mac OS X (10.4.8), 23" Apple Cinema Display
  • 1. Re: Editing in Photoshop saves jpeg to "Originals", not "Modified"
    Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (123,775 points)

    You can't because you're processing Raws. You need to save the output from the Raw processor to the desktop and import that. This is because when you process the Raw the Raw Processor creates a new file and iPhoto knows nothing about this.

     

    Regards

     

     

    TD

  • 2. Re: Editing in Photoshop saves jpeg to "Originals", not "Modified"
    Old Toad Level 10 Level 10 (115,665 points)

    If you're editing RAW in iPHoto with PS you must save the edited version as a new file outside of iPhoto and import into iPHoto from there.  Only jpegs, tiffs, gifs can be edited in iPhoto by PS and have the normal Save get the edited version in the correct Modified folder.

     

    Using Photoshop or Photoshop Elements as Your Editor of Choice in iPhoto.

     

    1 - select Photoshop or Photoshop Elememts as your editor of choice in iPhoto's General Preference Section's under the "Edit photo:" menu.

     

    iPPSeditor.PNG

     

    2 - double click on the thumbnail in iPhoto to open it in Photoshop.  When you're finished editing click on the Save button. If you immediately get the JPEG Options window make your selection (Baseline standard seems to be the most compatible jpeg format) and click on the OK button. Your done. 

     

    3 - however, if you get the navigation window

    iPPSsave.PNG

     

    that indicates that  PS wants to save it as a PS formatted file.  You'll need to either select JPEG from the menu and save (top image) or click on the desktop in the Navigation window (bottom image) and save it to the desktop for importing as a new photo.

     

    This method will let iPhoto know that the photo has been editied and will update the thumbnail file to reflect the edit..

     

    NOTE: With Photoshop Elements  the Saving File preferences should be configured as shown:

    PSE9fileprefs.PNG

     

    I also suggest the Maximize PSD File Compatabilty be set to Always.  In PSE’s General preference pane set the Color Picker to Apple as shown:

    PSE9genprefs.PNG

     

    Note:  to switch between iPhoto and PS or PSE as the editor of choice Control (right)-click on the thumbnail and select either Edit in iPhoto or Edit in External Editor from the contextual menu. If you use iPhoto to edit more than PSE re-select iPhoto in the iPhoto General preference pane. Then iPhoto will be the default editor and you can use the contextual menu to select PSE for your editor when desired.

     

    OT

  • 3. Re: Editing in Photoshop saves jpeg to "Originals", not "Modified"
    Satto Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks for the replies; I had to hold off for a while and let the issue rest. Old Toad, your reply is full of great information, very helpful.

     

    However in this case I beg to differ with both of you, it IS possible to edit RAW files from iPhoto in Photoshop and save them correctly - and directly -  back to iPhoto.

     

    The one setting I had changed between my sessions was in iPhoto > Preferences > Advanced, I had checked "Use RAW when using external editor". Somehow this changed the Save path from PS back to iPhoto, and the altered photo ended up in the Originals folder along with an .xmp file. I guess this makes sense; iPhoto is trying to keep the file in RAW format instead of creating a new JPEG. The only problem is that it never picks up on the new file in thumbnails or enlarged views.

     

    Saving the edited file to another location and then re-importing to iPhoto, by the way, is not a good solution for me, as it also makes a mess of the iPhoto cataloging system.

     

    So, my settings are now to set iPhoto to edit photos in Photoshop, and I have UN-checked "Use RAW when using external editor". After doing my editing on the RAW file in Bridge, I open it in Photoshop, click "Save", and make sure JPEG is selected as the format. Voilå - the edited photo is saved back to my Modified folder, shows up in thumbnails, etc., and can be retroverted to the original RAW format with the "Revert to original" button.

     

    One last caveat, I am using iPhoto '09; not sure if this has all changed in later versions.

  • 4. Re: Editing in Photoshop saves jpeg to "Originals", not "Modified"
    Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (123,775 points)

    I'm not beign argumentative, but for the benefit of folks who may read this thread after a search...

    it IS possible to edit RAW files from iPhoto in Photoshop and save them correctly - and directly -  back to iPhoto.

    Saving a file back to the iPhoto Library is not the same as saving a photo back to iphoto.

     

    The one setting I had changed between my sessions was in iPhoto > Preferences > Advanced, I had checked "Use RAW when using external editor". Somehow this changed the Save path from PS back to iPhoto, and the altered photo ended up in the Originals folder along with an .xmp file.


    All that's happening there is Photoshop is saving the material back to the same folder it got it from. That happens to be the originals folder. But that's not the same as the alterations being recognised by iPhoto - you say so yourself:

     

    The only problem is that it never picks up on the new file in thumbnails or enlarged views.

     

     

    So, iPhoto does not know the altered image is there. Therefore, no, it's not possible to edit the Raw from iPhoto and save the file back to iPhoto. Photshop is  just dumping files where it got them from.

     

    Try access any of these changed file via iPhoto? You can't view them, you can't share them, you can't access them in any way at all.

  • 5. Re: Editing in Photoshop saves jpeg to "Originals", not "Modified"
    Satto Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Terence,

     

    I think I wasn't clear in how I worded my last post, so I apologize. I was referring to the fact that I had previously had success using the external editor and saving back to iPhoto, then I changed a setting and the files no longer saved correctly, and subsequently I found the solution and everything worked well again. The culprit turned out to be "Use RAW when using external editor", which I had turned on in the interim. Now that I have unchecked that preference, I am able to successfully:

    > use Photoshop as my external editor for my RAW files

    > "Save" from photoshop directly and automatically to the MODIFIED folder of iPhoto

    > the modified photo shows correctly modified in iPhoto's thumbnails, enlargements, everywhere.

     

    The only difference from using iPhoto's internal editor is that the modified photo now has a "kind" tag that reads "JPEG image (from Nikon Raw)."

     

    I have tested this several times and the process is that the Raw file is being opened from the "Originals" folder, modified in Photoshop and saving to the "Modified" folder. This is happening without prompting Photoshop to that directory, although you do have to make sure the first time that the Save format is set to JPEG, and then it asks you to overwrite the existing file. (iPhoto '09 creates a JPEG in the Modified folder for every RAW file in the Originals folder).

  • 6. Re: Editing in Photoshop saves jpeg to "Originals", not "Modified"
    Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (123,775 points)

    The culprit turned out to be "Use RAW when using external editor", which I had turned on in the interim. Now that I have unchecked that preference, I am able to successfully:

     

    If you unchecked the Preferences then iPhoto is not sending Raws to Photoshop. Is there some intermediary step you're using?

  • 7. Re: Editing in Photoshop saves jpeg to "Originals", not "Modified"
    LarryHN Level 9 Level 9 (56,670 points)

    actually what is happening is that the iPhoto created JPEG of the RAW file is being sent to PS and you are editing it and returning the modified JPEG to the modified folder in iPhoto

     

    Which is a good workflow and one I recommend

     

    LN

  • 8. Re: Editing in Photoshop saves jpeg to "Originals", not "Modified"
    Old Toad Level 10 Level 10 (115,665 points)

    Possible Photoshop CS6 may be more iPhoto cognizant than CS3 which I'm using bedause when I edit a raw file from inside photo I get this window first:

    Photoshop001.jpg

    The Save Image button gives this window:

    Photoshop002.jpg

    The save in same location will put  the new file in the Masters folder as shown by what we get when the Select folder gives us:

    Photoshop003.jpg

     

    To save an editied version of this photo to the Modified/Previews folder for that photos one whould have to navigate to the Previews/2012/06/26/20120626-104424 folder If it existed and know what the folder name was.

     

    With CS3 when I did save to that Preview folder iPhoto did not know that it was there or that the photo had been edited.  

  • 9. Re: Editing in Photoshop saves jpeg to "Originals", not "Modified"
    Satto Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Clarification - here are the settings I am using:

     

    Preferences > General > Edit Photo - in Adobe Photoshop

    Preferences > Advanced > uncheck "Use RAW when using external editor"

     

    iPhoto is sending the RAW file from the Originals folder to Photoshop. I am fairly sure of this because If it was sending a JPEG then it would open in PS not in Adobe Camera Raw (sorry, I called this "Bridge" before) (Jpeg support is disabled in PS camera raw preferences). It then somehow knows to send the file back to Modified.


  • 10. Re: Editing in Photoshop saves jpeg to "Originals", not "Modified"
    Satto Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Toad,

    I make my adjustments in Adobe Camera Raw and then "Open Image" in Photoshop, before saving. Try that.

  • 11. Re: Editing in Photoshop saves jpeg to "Originals", not "Modified"
    Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (123,775 points)
    iPhoto is sending the RAW file from the Originals folder to Photoshop. I am fairly sure of this because If it was sending a JPEG then it would open in PS not in Adobe Camera Raw

     

     

    No, it will open it in whatever app is chosen. You can send a file to the Chess game

     

    Sorry but no matter what version of Photshop (cs5) or Elements, Graphic Converter or Preview, I cannot send a raw to the external editor unless that box is checked.

  • 12. Re: Editing in Photoshop saves jpeg to "Originals", not "Modified"
    LarryHN Level 9 Level 9 (56,670 points)

    Preferences > Advanced > uncheck "Use RAW when using external editor"

    Then you are sending a JPEG not RAW which is why it is working to save and it goes to the modified folder - teh program that opens the image for editing is not chosen by Adobe or anyone except you - you set the editing program in the iPhoto preferences and iPhoto sends the image where you said to - in this case according to you Adobe Photoshop

     

    Preferences > General > Edit Photo - in Adobe Photoshop

     

    LN

  • 13. Re: Editing in Photoshop saves jpeg to "Originals", not "Modified"
    Satto Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Yes I am well aware that my setting for Edit Photo preference will send the file where I tell it to. I have told it to edit in Photoshop and so it goes there. Photoshop runs it through Adobe Camera Raw (ACR) because it is a RAW file and PS can't work on raw files. After tweaking the photo I send it on to PS in order to save it back to iPhoto.

     

    The editing function sends the RAW file to PS. I also have some JPEG files in iPhoto; when I double click them to edit, they open directly in PS, bypassing ACR.

     

    You guys seem to have some difficulty with this but I'm just telling it like it is. Again it may not be working with your versions; I am using iPhoto '09 v8.1.2, Photoshop CS6 and Camera Raw 7.3, on a 2.66GHz MacBook Pro. Here is a screen shot of my PS preference settings for ACR:

    Screen Shot 2013-04-24 at 3.04.04 PM.png

  • 14. Re: Editing in Photoshop saves jpeg to "Originals", not "Modified"
    Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (123,775 points)

    Not at all intending to be argumentative. What I'm describing is how iPhoto has worked since v1 and if you've found a way round it then that's excellent. I used iPhoto 09 and could never get my NEFS to an external, just like couldn’t with 08 and can't now with 11. Can you show is a screeshot of your iPhoto Preferences?

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