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I have 5 Mac's in my house right now. (your welcome. my pleasure).

Some are older. Some are newer. They all have iPhoto.


WIth my most recent purchase (macbook air) came with iPhoto 11.

My older machines have iPhoto 9.


Do I have the right to upgrage to iPhoto 11 on my 4 other machines?

In other words, since I am the rightful owner of iPhoto 11 on my MBAir, can I intall it on the other 4 without buying it?

Where would I get a copy? Disk? AppStore(nope)?


Technical issue:

iPhoto 9 database is not compatible with iPhoto 11. I have to assume that means I'll encounter a nightmare of issues when I start sharing photos (AppleTv, home sharing, cloud, etc...).


So what should/can I do?


(just to force a more robust solution, assume that the older computers also came with iPhoto9 installed, so there are no iWorks disks for either version).

MacBook Air, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.3), 256GB

Posted on Mar 26, 2013 10:46 AM

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Mar 26, 2013 10:52 AM in response to cwebber1

Yes, you can install iPhoto on all personally owned Macs:


2. Permitted License Uses and Restrictions.

A. License. Subject to the terms and conditions of this License, including but not limited to the requirements and limitations in Section 2B, you have the right to use the Apple Software (whether you obtained it from the Mac App Store or preinstalled by Apple on Apple-branded hardware) as permitted by the Mac App Store Usage Rules set forth in the App Store Terms and Conditions (http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/ww/) (“Usage Rules”), and are granted a limited, non-transferable, non-exclusive license:

ℹ to download, install, use and run for personal, non-commercial use, one (1) copy of the Apple Software directly on each Apple-branded computer running OS X (“Mac Computer”) that you own or control; and

(ii) if you are a commercial enterprise or educational institution, to download, install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software for use either: (a) by a single individual on each of the Mac Computer(s) that you own or control, or (b) by multiple individuals on a single shared Mac Computer that you own or control. For example, a single employee may use the Apple Software on both the employee’s desktop Mac Computer and laptop Mac Computer, or multiple students may serially use the Apple Software on a single Mac Computer located at a resource center or library.

B. If you obtained the Apple Software preinstalled by Apple on Apple-branded hardware, in order to use the Apple Software on more than one of the Apple-branded computers you own or control under the Mac App Store Usage Rules, you must log in to the Mac App Store and associate the Apple Software with your Mac App Store account. If you choose not to associate the preinstalled Apple Software with your Mac App Store account, you are permitted to install, use and run one (1) copy of the Apple Software on a single Apple-branded computer at any one time. Please also note that by choosing to associate the preinstalled Apple Software with your Mac App Store account, you will also associate any other Apple software applications (i.e., iMovie and GarageBand) that are provided to you as part of the same preinstalled application bundle.



However, you should confirm that all of your Macs can run the latest verson of iPhoto:

  • OS X Lion 10.7.5
  • OS X Mountain Lion 10.8.2 or later


OT

Mar 26, 2013 11:01 AM in response to cwebber1

From the Apple App store FAQ (link is on the right of the store - click on support then on FAQ)


Can I use apps from the Mac App Store on more than one computer?

Apps from the Mac App Store may be used on any Macs that you own or control for your personal use.

Yes - the iPhoto database structure changes with upgrades and updates - the newer versions automatically update teh library as needed - once it is updated oder versions can no longer access it


Questions about Apple TV and home sharing need to be posted in the respective discussions


LN

Mar 26, 2013 1:14 PM in response to cwebber1

You should be able to redownload it. In App Store from the MBP click on Purchases icon in the toolbar. Locate the iPhoto you purchased on the MBA. There should be an Install or Download button on the right side of the entry.


Now here is a caveat. If you got iPhoto 11 on the MBA as part of the MBA software bundle, then you did not purchase it on the App Store. You merely downloaded it. That license does NOT permit you to install on any other machine than the MBA. That means you will have to purchase it separately for your MBP.

Mar 26, 2013 1:32 PM in response to Kappy

Confused. These two things seem contradictory to me.

Kappy wrote:

Now here is a caveat. If you got iPhoto 11 on the MBA as part of the MBA software bundle, then you did not purchase it on the App Store. You merely downloaded it. That license does NOT permit you to install on any other machine than the MBA. That means you will have to purchase it separately for your MBP.

VS

B. If you obtained the Apple Software preinstalled by Apple on Apple-branded hardware, in order to use the Apple Software on more than one of the Apple-branded computers you own or control under the Mac App Store Usage Rules, you must log in to the Mac App Store and associate the Apple Software with your Mac App Store account.


1. Can I, or can I not, use my preinstalled software on my other machines?


2. If the answer is "yes I can", then how do I get those application to appear in my "purchases" list on the App Store?

Mar 26, 2013 1:37 PM in response to cwebber1

1. You cannot.

2. They won't appear in Purchases.

3. You cannot legally transfer the software or OS X to another computer.

4. You are permitted a one-time only transfer of ownership only upon selling the computer with the pre-installed software included.


If you buy software through the App Store then you can install that software on all the computers that you own. However, if you sell a computer you cannot transfer the software purchased through your Apple ID. It must be removed from the computer prior to sale.

Mar 26, 2013 1:47 PM in response to Kappy

Kappy,

Thanks for being clear about your position.


Can you please comment on quote from Apple's usage rules, because to me it seems to directly contradict your position. Respectfully, I don't see how your position and this paragraph can co-exist.


Specifally, the part that ways "pre-installed" and "on more than one".

Mar 26, 2013 3:10 PM in response to cwebber1

BTW, look at the language in the Usage Agreement. It does not make any distinction between original owners, and subsequent owners.


If you obtained the Apple Software preinstalled by Apple on Apple-branded hardware


The only constraint placed on the transfer of ownership, is that the previous owner can no longer use any of the software that came with the hardward (e.g. iLife and OS X). I found that detail a bit later while reading the full version of the Usage agreement. It makes sense, because if one owner uses his bundle to install iLife on his other machines, and then he sells the machine that had the iLife bundle, the old owner is no longer entitled to use iLife from the bundle.


The Agreement clearly states that I am entitled to use bundled software on the other computers I own. But the software mechanisms which provide such a transfer of rights does not match the rights given.

As you (Old Toad) pointed out, one can authorize this software to your AppleID when you first setup the machine. It is unclear how to do this as the second owner of the machine.


To make matters worse, the OS X (mtn lion upgrade) was clearly installed using the original owner's AppleID (I don't think you can install Mtn Lion without an AppleID). So techincally, I don't have ownership rights to the OS installed on the machine? Or do I?


To illustrate this point:

John buys 2 LION Machines in 2012.

Jonn buys 1 MTN-LION upgrade on the AppStore, and upgrades BOTH machines.

John sells one of the machines to Paul in 2013.

--> Does Paul have the rigth to use Mtn LIon?

Mar 26, 2013 3:09 PM in response to Kappy

Kappy wrote:


I can only say that clause was not worded that way when last I checked the software license. I have to assume Apple has modified it over the last few months, and I stand corrected.


To associate a device to your Apple ID: iTunes Store- Associating a device or computer to your Apple ID

Interestingly, the Authorization is in iTunes (not the App Store, as described in the Usage Agreement). Also, some of the step in that article are not correct (the menu item doesn't exist). I guess Apple is dealing with quite a bit of change right now (Cloud, App Store, multiple AppleID's) and it's gonna take some time before this all gets sorted out.


Thanks Kappy, for your help and for sharing your thoughts and experience. You've always been a excellent source of help to people here on this site.

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