CD-ROM Drive 2X

I'm using a Quadra 605 with a PPC card running OS 8.5.1. I accidentally erased my hard drive while backing the HD up. I managed to get almost all apps and info that I had previously backed up.

I've been using an Apple 2X CD-ROM Drive. External connected by scsi. It's working as far as reading my back-up CD's. Can boot from the drive, but doesn't play audio CD's now. The Quadra makes all the noises, grunts and squeals that it's supposed to do. The only driver that I could find backed up was CD-ROM 5.1.7. I don't know what I was using before I erased everything. Is 5.1.7 not compatible with OS 8.5.1? I noticed CD/DVD drivers, would they work with my CD player? It doesn't burn discs and doesn't play DVD's.

I would appreciate any help.

Thanks everyone.

skootz

G5 1.6 mhz, Mac OS X (10.4.6)

Posted on May 24, 2006 2:16 AM

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May 24, 2006 7:15 AM in response to skootz

The CD driver consists of the basic driver and several special-purpose extensions. My Quadra 840AV 68040 running 8.1 has the following installed:

Apple CD-ROM 5.4.2 source Mac OS 8.1
Apple Photo Access 5.2 source Mac OS 8.1
Audio CD Access 5.1 source Mac OS 8.0
Foreign File Access source Mac OS 8.1
High Sierra File Access 5.2 source Mac OS 8.1
ISI 9660 File Access 5.2 source Mac OS 8.1

Don't you have a System CD? If not, you should get one.

The 5.4 CD extension (only) is available for download from the Older Software Downloads page, displays and drivers section:

http://www.info.apple.com/support/oldersoftwarelist.html#display

May 25, 2006 3:01 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Hi Brent,

After I posted, I found an old OS 7.6 disk and pulled 5.4 off from it. Installed on my Quadra and still doesn't work. What does work, I unplugged the external speakers on the Quadra and plugged them directly into the CD player. Now I can play CD's again.

Now I just have to find a CD player that's like iTunes so I can download and store the music on the computer.

Thanks,

skootz

May 25, 2006 6:27 AM in response to skootz

skootz,

Not all CD-ROM drives are created equal. However, one thing is common to most all drives. They need a patch cable for audio. You mentioned that the external CD drive did not give audio. Are the patch cables connected? Are the cables in good repair?

"I unplugged the external speakers on the Quadra and plugged them directly into the CD player. Now I can play CD's again."

To me it sounds like all hardware is working fine except for the audio link from external drive to CPU. That must be hardwired separately. A SCSI cable only carries data (not including audio tracks).

Jim

May 26, 2006 5:02 AM in response to skootz

skootz,

Earlier I mentioned that not all CD-ROM drives are created equal. Some have RCA plugs, newer ones have mini plugs. Some have the plugs for left and right audio jacks on back for external drive cases and newer ones have the mini-din plugs on front for internal or external drive bay use.

You said "I've been using an Apple 2X CD-ROM Drive. External connected by scsi."

If that is still in its case, my recollection is that you have RCA plugs on back. Those jacks need to have a left and right channel patch cord with red and white RCA plugs on one end and a mini-din plug on the other plugged into the mic port of the computer.

Regardless of model, where you plugged in your speakers is the audio out source from the CD. The audio out from the CD drive needs to go to the audio in port on the Quadra 605. It is just the same as the audio out of one VCR needing to go to the audio in on a second VCR if you were going to play a VHS tape on one machine and record on a second VCR.

The next question is what level of signal is coming out of the jack. There is line level and mic level. Mic level needs amplification and line level does not or needs less. This article:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=18275

indicates that PlainTalk is line level device tolerant. In other words, you do to have to worry about blowing the audio circuit on the Quadra 605 by plugging in a line level device into a PlainTalk mic port. Otherwise, as a general rule, you do not plug anything but a low power mic into a mic input jack.

So, even if a CD-ROM drive has the higher line level output, the Mac can accept it. Without a line level out of the CD drive, you would most likely need a pre-amp for your speakers to work.

Take a look at the "Ports" listed on these three different spec pages from Apple:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=112231

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=112217

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=112365

Notice how the 605 page just mentions Mic type as PlainTalk plus a speaker port. The 840 AV lists the same PlainTalk mic and speaker ports but also has RCA video in and out and S video. (No RCA audio input or output plugins - they assume you are going to use the PlainTalk port and an adapter from RCA plugs to mini-din.) If you look up the specs for the 8100 AV, audio adapters are provided. The 8500 included the AV RCA audio input and output ports standard.

Finally, with the 6260, Apple Spec sheets give some specifics:

"Sound Notes: INPUT: impedance 100 kOhm; avg. line level 100 mV rms; avg. mic. level 70 mV rms, max. input level 1.8 V rms>"

All of this boils down to needing something other than the SCSI cable to carry the audio signal. If you do not have a SCSI cable AND an audio patch cable, the signal will never make it to the CPU for processing.

One last bit of information to cover all bases.

If you look at the back of an Apple SCSI CD-ROM drive that is not installed into a computer or external case, you will see the following pin labels, starting left to right. [ 'Audio' pins RGGL (for right channel, ground, ground, left channel) ] [ 'Parity,' 'ID' 012; open pin; open pin; 'TERM POWER ] ['SCSI' 1-50 pins ] and then DC power input with large pins. I believe all CD drives have those first four audio plugs on the circuit board for the drive unless it is so old that it is just a data drive. For internal installations, there will be four little wires wrapped in a gray jacket with a flat four wire connector on each end. That will go from the CD to the motherboard.

On an external drive, those four wires will go from the drive to the external jack on the case. You will never get audio to play on your computer speakers if those four wires do not make it to the motherboard. That is why speakers connected directly to your CD-ROM drive work. They are directly connected to the source.

Jim

May 26, 2006 11:00 PM in response to skootz

skootz,

That is the difference. Multimedia games and presentations are built on data files, not audio files. Data files are carried by the SCSI cable. Audio signals are carried by audio cables.

If you use Toast to burn an audio CD to play back in a portable CD player, the files are not computer files, they are audio files. Toast extracter converts the audio file into a data file that the computer can copy and burn. If audio files and data files were the same, you would never need audio extractor software.

I think that all you need is this cable for $3.04 or the 3.5mm for $3.19. I need to verify size of the mic socket on the Mac:

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/specHR/images/1956666a.jpg

from:

http://www.mwave.com/mwave/Skusearch.hmx?scriteria=3706577

Wal-mart or Radio Shack will have that cable as well.

Jim

Jul 17, 2006 1:11 PM in response to Powerbook_Matt

The 300e and 600e are external SCSI drives.

Plug it in the 25-pin SCSI port with a Mac System cable, DB-25 to Centronics-50. Put a terminator on the second C-50 on the drive enclosure. Set the ID to something other than 0 (used for the internal Hard drive), 3 (used for the Internal CD) or 7 (used for the SCSI Controller on the motherboard).

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