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Backing up multiple disks to ext. drive while remaining boot functionality - possible?

Hi everyone,


I'm still troubleshooting recurring errors on my harddrive so in order to have a safety net I've purshased a LaCie 2 TB external HD. I've used SuperDuper to create a clone to it and so far so good.

I was already backing up all my data to a 1 TB Ego HD using Time Machine.


It looks like I cannot create a bootable clone on my Lacie HD and also backup another external harddrive to it. Because of that I now have 1.6 TB sitting there unused (my internal HD is only 500 g).


So I'm wondering what my options are.


What I would ideally like to achieve is:

Source

Internal HD 500 gig

External HD 250 gig


Target

1. Time machine backup to 1 TB Ego harddrive

2. SuperDuper backup to 2 TB Lacie harddrive, while still allowing it to use as a boot medium.


Are there tools out there that can do this?


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Otherwise I might have to consider:


1. SuperDuper clone of only internal HD to 1 TB Ego harddrive, allowing to use it as boot medium.

2. Timemachine backup to 2 TB Lacie harddrive, backing up ALL drives (internal HD, external 250 gig drive, bootable Ego harddrive).


OR


1. SuperDuper clone of only internal HD to 1 TB Ego harddrive, allowing to use it as boot medium.

2. SuperDuper backup to 2 TB Lacie harddrive, backing up ALL drives (internal HD, external 250 gig drive, bootable Ego harddrive.


The reason that I'm not a proponent of these latter two suggestions is because my Ego harddrive is 2,5 inch and older, while my new Lacie HD is 3,5 inch and seemly more stable. I'd ideally woul like my bootable clone to be on my most stable medium, leaving timemachine-backups as secondary safetynet.

Any thoughts on this are highly appreciated 🙂


Thanks!

Macbook Pro 13" 2.53 ghz intel core2duo

Posted on Apr 6, 2013 5:09 AM

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Posted on Apr 6, 2013 5:21 AM

Use Disk Utility to Erase with Security > Zero option (one slider to the right) to map off bad sectors in advance on any new drives once before cloning.


Use self powered, not port powered drives for backups and clones.


Use Carbon Copy Cloner instead as that also copies the Recovery HD partition and tends to be better suited to making bootable clones work better than others.


https://discussions.apple.com/community/notebooks/macbook_pro?view=documents

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Apr 6, 2013 5:21 AM in response to verv.paulus

Use Disk Utility to Erase with Security > Zero option (one slider to the right) to map off bad sectors in advance on any new drives once before cloning.


Use self powered, not port powered drives for backups and clones.


Use Carbon Copy Cloner instead as that also copies the Recovery HD partition and tends to be better suited to making bootable clones work better than others.


https://discussions.apple.com/community/notebooks/macbook_pro?view=documents

Apr 6, 2013 5:28 AM in response to ds store

With all due respect, but have you read my questions? I kinda get the idea that you're posting general information for the sake of posting, rather than considering the actual questions.


Don't get me wrong; help is much appreciated, but I can't say it's helpfull at this point.


(edit: I might also be misinterpreting your answer, in which case please do feel free to elaborate.)

Apr 6, 2013 5:45 AM in response to verv.paulus

verv.paulus wrote:


With all due respect, but have you read my questions?


You threw a lot of confusion into your post.


I think your saying you can't boot from your Lacie HD clone with another backup on it.




I assume you partitioned the drive, so reformat it and just do the clone on it and see if it will work to boot from, if SD doesn't work then use CCC and see if that works. If nothing works, then return the drive and get another brand. If your using a enclosure there has been reports of problems with enclosures not booting, so use a regular external drive. (powered)


Once you determined you have a bootable clone, next reformat the drive again, this time with 2 partitions and use the first one as the clone and see if you can option key boot from it or not. (using a wired or built in keyboard)


Then place extra data on the second partition as you see fit (but not for TimeMachine)


It's not a good choice to place to many software backups on one drive as if the drive dies, then so more backups.



BTW, CCC will save the changes between clones states, much like TimeMachine does, so it needs a larger partition unless you specifically change the default settings and maintain a pure clone.

Apr 6, 2013 5:57 AM in response to verv.paulus

It looks like I cannot create a bootable clone on my Lacie HD and also backup another external harddrive to it.

Why not? What exactly is the problem? What happens (or doesn't happen)? There shouldn't be any reason you can't copy anything you want to your external HD, whether it's bootable or not. Whether it's 1 partition or 2. Are you trying to use Time Machine to back up one external HD to the other? Are all the HD's formatted as Mac OS Extended (Journaled)?


FWIW, I have mulitple external hard drives. Some of them have 2 partitions, with the 1st partition bootable and the 2nd partition for general storage and backup. I use CarbonCopyCloner and have had no problems, ever. I also have a couple of Lacie external hard drives with 1 bootable partition, same uses.

Apr 6, 2013 5:59 AM in response to MartinR

The "problem" is that I did not see a way to create a bootable clone on one disk, while at the same time backing up other data to that disk. I now see that it's possible with CCC to partition the disk and have one partition function as a bootable clone, while backing up my other external harddrives to that same disk but a different partition.


Doesn't superduper support this functionality? If so that would be a major plus for CCC.

Apr 6, 2013 6:16 AM in response to verv.paulus

SD is like CCC, it clones a entire partition of data and if it contains OS X it will make the partition bootable.


CCC has extra benefits including also saving the changed states between the clone versions and backing up the Recovery HD partition which is needed on older Mac's with OS X 10.7/10.8 that don't have built in Internet Recovery to download OS X fresh from Apple's servers.


I now see that it's possible with CCC to partition the disk and have one partition function as a bootable clone, while backing up my other external harddrives to that same disk but a different partition.


Apple's Disk Utility is used for formatting and setting up partitions.


You use Disk Utility to Zero Erase the entire drive first (takes 7 hours for 2TB) to map off bad sectors and then Partition tab > format the drive 2 partitons, with a option: GUID and OS X Extended Journaled as the formats for each partition.


If your going to keep the saved states between clones using CCC (default settings), then set the partition #1 much larger than your boot drive so it has room to store the changes. If not, then set CCC preferences to maintain a pure clone (no saved state changes) and then the partition #1 to 500GB to match your boot drive.


You select the first partition to clone your internal boot drive to it and it should boot hopefullly, and then you will have the rest of the drive to store other data.


I don't advise having all your backups on one drive, if it fails then so dies all your backups, however since the extra space is not going to be used, it doesn't hurt to have a extra backup in case the other drive fails.

Backing up multiple disks to ext. drive while remaining boot functionality - possible?

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