12 Replies Latest reply: Apr 9, 2013 1:53 PM by OGELTHORPE
bench_blob Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

Hello - My computer is acting all creepy and crawly for the last few months, regarding most applications including browser and Word. Based on my review over the course of the last 3.5 minutes on the discussion board, I think I have too many PAGE OUTS open. (Screen shot below). I moved all of the Music files to external drive, and almost NO video, so I am almost positive is not a hard drive space issue. Maybe its a RAM issue. Please advise. Thanks Gregg

 

P.S. My Page Outs From Activity Monitor > System Memory reads 1.79 GB. Should I try to reduce this, and if so, how? I only need 2-3 programs open 90% of the time (browser, Word and photoshop).

 


iMac7,1, Mac OS X (10.5.8), 2.8 GHz
  • 1. Re: General Mac Slowness - What to Do?
    OGELTHORPE Level 7 Level 7 (25,670 points)

    Can your Mac handle Snow Leopard?

     

    http://support.apple.com/kb/sp575

     

    If so, I would suggest that you spend the $20 at the Apple online sore and install it.  It is a more efficient System than Leopard.

     

    http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC573/mac-os-x-106-snow-leopard

     

    Regarding the 'Page outs', are they more than 10% of 'Page ins"?  If not, then more RAM will probably not be beneficial.

     

    Ciao.

  • 2. Re: General Mac Slowness - What to Do?
    bench_blob Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks for response. I currently have Version 10.8.3 Mountain Lion and definitely would replace with Snow Leopard if that resolve slowness. Running about 50% slower than it used to. If I replace my OS with Leopard, would that resolve any possible viruses that I might have or miscellaneous programs floating around in  the ether?  (Ether = Technical Lingo )

     

    My Page Outs and Page Ins are about equal. Actually Page Outs are 3.71 GBs. Page Ins are 3.19 GBs.

     

    Mahalo

    Gregg

  • 3. Re: General Mac Slowness - What to Do?
    OGELTHORPE Level 7 Level 7 (25,670 points)

    In your post you indicate that you have Leopard (10.5.8) installed.  That is the reason I was suggesting Snow Leopard.  Now you indicate the you have Mt. Lion as your OS.  OGELTHORPE does not like being deceived .

    In a serious vein, Snow Leopard is still the most efficient OS that Apple has created.  It may help but you would have to sacrifice some Mt. Lion features.

     

    Your 'Page ins' and 'Page outs' ratio is astounding.  More RAM would be a step in the right direction.  According to Mactracker, your iMac (model 7.1) can utilize 6 GB RAM.  That would be a good enhancement. if you have not done so already.

     

    This is a user tip from the Macbook Pro forum but it is still applicable to your situation.  Read it over and post back if you need some more assistance or initiate a new post.

     

    https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-3521

     

    Ciao.

  • 4. Re: General Mac Slowness - What to Do?
    bench_blob Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    The Mountain Lion can jump off a cliff and get attack by herd of Water Buffaloes for all I care. If a Mountain Lion had to deal with the slowness I have been experiencing for last two months, it would not survive one day in the jungle before being attacked by a horde of Ravenous Turtles.

     

    What is so astounging about my Page In and Page Out ratio? Should I take it as a compliment?

     

    I am going to run to Apple store and get Snow Leopard today. $20 is a safe bet. I figured an alternative however might to "clear RAM" if that can be done. Like I said, I am not running 10-15 programs at once. 2 to 3 tops. I do have a lot of Tabs Open on my Browser, howver (usually around a dozen).

     

    Regards

    Gregg

  • 5. Re: General Mac Slowness - What to Do?
    bench_blob Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    And link looks good. Thanks again.

  • 6. Re: General Mac Slowness - What to Do?
    bench_blob Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    When I go to Activity Monitor > System Memory, my available Free Memory is barely a sliver. There is no green on the pie (No Green on the Pie = More technical lingo ) I hope my computer doesn't blow up. Should I have a fire extinguisher close by just in case?

     

    Seriously, I was Quitting Processes, but that didn't seem to free up space.

     

    -G

  • 7. Re: General Mac Slowness - What to Do?
    OGELTHORPE Level 7 Level 7 (25,670 points)

    Snow Leopard DVD can only be ordered from the online Apple store.  Please see my previous link.  The retail stores will not have it in stock.

     

    As far as the Page ratio, I have never seen it that high.  It just indicates that you are using applications that are going back to your HDD a lot. 

     

    Have you maxed out the RAM?  If not, that should be the top priority.

     

    Ciao.

  • 8. Re: General Mac Slowness - What to Do?
    bench_blob Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks for saving me a trip, was on my way out the door.

     

    I have not added any RAM.

     

    OK...I am going to close every application and reboot my computer, should that not free up RAM?

  • 9. Re: General Mac Slowness - What to Do?
    OGELTHORPE Level 7 Level 7 (25,670 points)

    Yes, but get more!  Best sources are OWC and Crucial.  According to Mactraker, a 20" mid 2007 iMac (model 7.1) RAM has the following specifications:  200-pin PC2-5300 (667MHz) DDR2 SO-DIMM.

     

    Do not deviate from those.

     

    Ciao.

  • 10. Re: General Mac Slowness - What to Do?
    OGELTHORPE Level 7 Level 7 (25,670 points)

    You said: "Should I have a fire extinguisher close by just in case?"  No, just wear a hard hat! 

     

    Ciao.

     

    I couldn't resist.

  • 11. Re: General Mac Slowness - What to Do?
    bench_blob Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Found this Crucial RAM at new egg dot com...

     

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007609%2050001455 %20600000401%20600006176&IsNodeId=1&name=Crucial

     

    Will it make a big difference, i.e worth the $!65? Can I install it myself or do you recommend I take it to Apple???

     

    By the way, I rebooted by computer, my Free Memory shot up to about 30% of the pie.  Then, after about 10 minutes, its back to the miniscule levels as before.

     

    -G

  • 12. Re: General Mac Slowness - What to Do?
    OGELTHORPE Level 7 Level 7 (25,670 points)

    You are attacking this incorrectly.  Go to the OWC and Crucial websites and enter you model number and get exactly what RAM they specify for your iMac.  It will be a 2 GB and a 4 GB chips.  Installing two 4 GB chips is throwing money away.

     

    This is from the OWC website:

     

    http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/apple/memory/iMac/Intel_Core_2_Duo

     

    Check out the Crucial website.  They have a scanner program that will determine the proper RAM for your iMac.  See what the price is there.  If you are a cheapskate like me, get the part numbers and search Newegg and Amazon for possible cheaper prices. 

     

    Yes, you should be able to install the RAM your self.  The OWC website has videos that will explain that.  This is the link:

     

    http://eshop.macsales.com/installvideos/

     

    As far as cost/benefits are concerned, my take is yes. 

     

    Ciao.