How to edit cropped version in Photoshop?

Can you list the exact steps you take? When I right-click an Image that has a crop adjustment applied and select "Edit with Adobe CS5.app" Photoshop opens and loads the cropped Image.

Are you are talking about second and subsequent trips to Photoshop after the first trip? If so, then the special version (and quasi Master) created by Aperture to send to Photoshop will not show any edits you have subsequently done in Aperture, including cropping, after it has been returned to Aperture from Photoshop, even if sent back to Photoshop.

To do that you have to duplicate the first special version after any additional editing done in Aperture, and then send it to Photoshop anew.

More info if that is not what has happened?

Ernie

Not likely to happen. The reason being that the Tiff (or PSD) you send to Photoshop becomes a new original. Even though Photoshop is allowed to alter it in the library of Aperture, as another original Aperture is not allowed to alter any original, including these quasi masters. And it is this original that is being sent and processed in Photoshop.

You can of course edit them after they return to Aperture, but those edits will not be seen by Photoshop.

Ernie

kerryk wrote:

Bit annoying you can't make further edits on photos already edited by Photoshop though - maybe this is a feature that Apple could include in Aperture 4?

But you can. As Ernie mentioned, if you select the Image that has been edited externally and then had adjustments added and create a duplicate Version, Aperture will "bake in" your adjustments (or "flatten" the Image) and send to your external editor a file with all the Adjustments included.

Aperture gives you the option to either "bake in" your adjustments prior to sending back to an external editor, or to re-edit the Original, and have the adjustments applied to the changed Original when it is returned.

This particular design -- what Ernie has himself (iirc) christened "Pseudo-Originals" -- is difficult to understand at first, but remains practicable. Here is what Aperture does:

- All Images are created by applying the adjustments and metadata changes specified in the Version file -- it's just a text file of instructions -- to an Original image-format file. This is done on-the-fly.

- When you first send an Image to an external editor from within Aperture, Aperture creates a new Version and sends that Version to the external editor. After you make changes in your external editor and save your changes, they are reflected _in the Original of the newly created Version. (This is what Ernie calls the "Pseudo-Original".)

- If you select this Image in Aperture and send it back to your external editor, Aperture sends _the Original_, and keeps the Version file. You (again) edit the Original, and any adjustments or metadata changes you've made are re-applied after you close the file in the external editor.

- When you want to edit _the Version_ of a previously-externally-edited Image in you external editor, you must manually create a new Version in Aperture first. Select the Image, and "File➞Duplicate Version". Then select this newly created Version, and send it to your external editor. All of your adjustments will show.

This is easily seen in practice.

- Select an Image

- Rotate it 45° in Aperture (Original is unchanged; Version shows rotation)

- Send it to your external editor (New Original with rotation is created, new Version shows new Original)

- Crop away 80% of it (Crop shows in external editor)

- Save your changes and close the file (Original is cropped; Version is still just passing through the Original with no additional adjustments)

Your cropped, rotated Image should show in Aperture (you might have to force Aperture to create a new Preview: hold the Option key and run "Photo➞Generate Preview").

- In Aperture, apply a Black & White adjustment (Original is still cropped; Version shows grayscale)

- Duplicate this Version

- Select both Versions (one colored and one grayscale) and send them to your external editor.

You should see one file cropped and colored, and one file cropped and grayscale. In the first case, you are editing the Original that does not include the B & W adjustment (it will be applied back in Aperture after you close and save the file in the external editor). Note that, like all adjustments, this can be removed by unchecking the box at the top left of the Adjustment Brick. In the second case, you are editing a new (Pseudo-) Original that has been made by "baking in" the B & W adjustment. This adjustment cannot be removed.

Which brings up another neat point. If you add layers while in Photoshop, you need not flatten the image before closing, and then Aperture's Library will retain those separate layers, such that you can export that quasi-Master and those layers will still be there.

But if you Export a Version, Aperture must flatten the image, to as you say, "bake" everything that has been done to the image, whether in PS or Aperture to process it.

Ernie

Quasi not Pseudo Kirby 🙂

Ernie Stamper wrote:

Quasi not Pseudo Kirby 🙂

My bad. 😊 . Quasi is, of course, much better. Sorry.

I was significantly re-writing my post, but then Discussions sneezed, and now I have to return to work. Will repost later today.