7 Replies Latest reply: Apr 14, 2013 3:47 AM by Dennis Kulpa
philc4imac Level 1 (0 points)

I have read many threads but still would like updated clarifications, please.


Is setup assistant the best way to upgrade from G5 iMac running Leopard to new 2012 iMac running ML? I only wish to move my single user account and not apps (except where I have noted)

I still wish to keep G5 iMac in use. If I copy user account will there be any conflict with same account on both iMacs? And are there still known issues copying this user acc from G5 to 2012 iMac?


This is list of items I wish to copy to new imac.



3-quicken 2007 (data files - hope to install new quicken 2007 for ML-not sure of correct process, though. I'm guessing install Q2007 for ML then copy data files from old imac?)

4-apple mail (several gmail imap accs with saved emails and folder structure)





9-crashplan backup app (need to research this process to switch backup to use new Mac)

10-carbon copy cloner app

11-safari / firefox bookmarks

12-network settings for Internet access via AT&T Ethernet using their 2wire router


There may be items I'm missing (not in front of iMac right now)...but will be in a few minutes


thanks for any advice.



  • Kappy Level 10 (263,335 points)

    A Basic Guide for Data Migration


    If you are migrating a PowerPC (PowerMac) system (G3, G4, or G5) to an Intel-Mac be careful what you migrate. Keep in mind that some items that may get transferred will not work on Intel machines and may end up causing your computer's operating system to malfunction.


    Note: if you are upgrading to a Mac with Mac OS X 10.7 (Lion) or later, or with the intent of upgrading to 10.7 or later anytime in the future, be aware that any applications that are not labelled Universal, or haven't been upgraded to Intel CPU compatibility will not run on Lion or later.  Documents may migrate if an Intel native application exists that will open them, but applications that are PowerPC only will not.  This user tip explains what else is needed for upgrading to Lion: https://discussions.apple.com/docs/DOC-2465.


    This also means for any Mac model whose hardware or firmware that has been refreshed on or after July 20, 2011, you won't be able to install 10.6.8 or get Rosetta from it unless you follow a link at the end of this tip.  It may be better to get a used or refurbished Mac that predates July 20, 2011.  See the Snow Leopard tip on the bottom for which Macs support Rosetta, which in turn supports older PowerPC applications.


    Both Leopard (10.5) , and Tiger (10.4.4 through 10.4.11, excluding 10.4.0, 10.4.1, 10.4.2, and 10.4.3) have PowerPC and Intel Mac support, and upgrading to either, this tip here, as well as links to my tip on Tiger and Leopard will help with your upgrade.


    The Knowledgebase article Intel-based Mac: Some migrated applications may need to be updated refers to methods of dealing with migrating from PowerPC chips to Intel with the Migration Assistant safely. The authors of this tip have not had a chance to verify this works in all instances, or that it avoids the 10.6.1 and earlier Guest Account bug that caused account information to get deleted upon use of the Migration/Setup Assistant. However, a well backed up source that includes at least two backups of all the data that are not connected to your machine will help you avoid potential issues, should they arise. In event it does not work, follow the steps below.


    Rosetta supports "software that runs on the PowerPC G3, G4, or G5 processor that are built for Mac OS X". This excludes the items that are not universal binaries or simply will not work in Rosetta:


    Classic Environment, and subsequently any Mac OS 9 or earlier applications

    Screensavers written for the PowerPC

    System Preference add-ons

    All Unsanity Haxies

    Browser and other plug-ins

    Contextual Menu Items

    Applications which specifically require the PowerPC G5

    Kernel extensions

    Java applications with JNI (PowerPC) libraries


    See also What Can Be Translated by Rosetta.


    In addition to the above you could also have problems with migrated cache files and/or cache files containing code that is incompatible.


    If you migrate a user folder that contains any of these items, you may find that your Intel-Mac is malfunctioning. It would be wise to take care when migrating your systems from a PowerPC platform to an Intel-Mac platform to assure that you do not migrate these incompatible items.


    If you have problems with applications not working, then completely uninstall said application and reinstall it from scratch. Take great care with Java applications and Java-based Peer-to-Peer applications. Many Java apps will not work on Intel-Macs as they are currently compiled. As of this time Limewire, Cabos, and Acquisition are available as universal binaries. Do not install browser plug-ins such as Flash or Shockwave from downloaded installers unless they are universal binaries. The version of OS X installed on your Intel-Mac comes with special compatible versions of Flash and Shockwave plug-ins for use with your browser.


    The same problem will exist for any hardware drivers such as mouse software unless the drivers have been compiled as universal binaries. For third-party mice the current choices are USB Overdrive or SteerMouse. Contact the developer or manufacturer of your third-party mouse software to find out when a universal binary version will be available.


    Also be careful with some backup utilities and third-party disk repair utilities. Disk Warrior 4.1, TechTool Pro 4.6.1, SuperDuper 2.5, and Drive Genius 2.0.2 work properly on Intel-Macs with Leopard. The same caution may apply to the many "maintenance" utilities that have not yet been converted to universal binaries. Leopard Cache Cleaner, Onyx, TinkerTool System, and Cocktail are now compatible with Leopard.


    Before migrating or installing software on your Intel-Mac check MacFixit's Rosetta Compatibility Index.


    Additional links that will be helpful to new Intel-Mac users:


    Intel In Macs

    Apple Guide to Universal Applications

    MacInTouch List of Compatible Universal Binaries

    MacInTouch List of Rosetta Compatible Applications

    MacUpdate List of Intel-Compatible Software

    Transferring data with Setup Assistant - Migration Assistant FAQ


      Because Migration Assistant isn't the ideal way to migrate from PowerPC to Intel Macs, using Target Disk Mode, copying the critical contents to CD and DVD, an external hard drive, or networking will work better when moving from PowerPC to Intel Macs. The initial section below discusses Target Disk Mode. It is then followed by a section which discusses networking with Macs that lack Firewire.  You can also determine if you have Firewire by looking at this image of the ports typically found on a PowerMac G4 Firewire 800, which has two 6 pin Firewire 400 (IEEE 1394a) ports below the USB ports, and below that, a Firewire 800 (IEEE 1394b).




    The 4 pin Firewire found on many camcorders is just a Firewire 400 port that is not powered by the computer.  Cables exist that can convert between all three.

      If both computers support the use of Firewire then you can use the following instructions:


    1. Repair the hard drive and permissions using Disk Utility.

    2. Backup your data. This is vitally important in case you make a mistake or there's some other problem.

    3. Connect a Firewire cable between your old Mac and your new Intel Mac.

    4. Startup your old Mac in Target Disk Mode.

    5. Startup your new Mac for the first time, go through the setup and registration screens, but do NOT

        migrate data over. Get to your desktop on the new Mac without migrating any new data over.


    If you are not able to use a Firewire connection (for example you have a Late 2008 MacBook that only supports USB:)


    1. Set up a local home network: Creating a small Ethernet Network.


    2. If you have a MacBook Air or Late 2008 MacBook see the following:


    MacBook (13-inch, Aluminum, Late 2008) and MacBook Pro (15-inch, Late 2008)- Migration Tips and Tricks;

    MacBook (13-inch, Aluminum, Late 2008) and MacBook Pro (15-inch, Late 2008)- What to do if migration is


    MacBook Air- Migration Tips and Tricks;

    MacBook Air- Remote Disc, Migration, or Remote Install Mac OS X and wireless 802.11n networks.


    Copy the following items from your old Mac to the new Mac:


    In your /Home/ folder: Documents, Movies, Music, Pictures, and Sites folders.


    In your /Home/Library/ folder:



    /Home/Library/Application Support/AddressBook (copy the whole folder)

    /Home/Library/Application Support/iCal (copy the whole folder)



    Also in /Home/Library/Application Support (copy whatever else you need including folders for any third-party applications)


    /Home/Library/Keychains (copy the whole folder)

    /Home/Library/Mail (copy the whole folder)

    /Home/Library/Preferences/ (copy the whole folder)

    /Home/Library/Calendars (copy the whole folder)

    /Home/Library/iTunes (copy the whole folder)

    /Home/Library/Safari (copy the whole folder)






    /Home/Library/Syndication (Tiger) or /Home/Library/PubSub (Leopard) <<< RSS

    /Home/Library/Internet Plug-In

    Credit goes to iBod for this information.



    If you want cookies:



    /Home/Library/Application Support/WebFoundation/HTTPCookies.plist


    For Entourage users:


    Entourage is in /Home/Documents/Microsoft User Data

    Also in /Home/Library/Preferences/Microsoft


    Credit goes to Macjack for this information.


    If you need to transfer data for other applications please ask the vendor or ask in the Discussions where specific applications store their data.


    5. Once you have transferred what you need restart the new Mac and test to make sure the contents are there for each of the applications.


    Special instructions for those who have purchased Mac models that do not support Rosetta:


    The newest (post 2010) Mac models run only Lion or Mountain Lion. They are not able to run Snow Leopard at all. However, you can still run PPC applications using Snow Leopard and Rosetta by intalling Snow Leopard as a virtual machine using Parallels. This is not an exercise for the truly inexperienced user, but it is completely doable provided you are willing to spend some money and some time. For complete instructions on what to do see https://discussions.apple.com/message/18280105#18280105. Although the instructions are keyed to Parallels 7, you should instead use the latest version, Parallels 8. (This information was contributed by user MlchaelLAX.)


    Written by Kappy with additional contributions from a brody.

  • philc4imac Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks for this...I have read thru it before. Lots of various info and links and more links...mostly geared towards moving  apps from G5 and other stuff I cant tell if applies to me. I was hoping for advice on specific items.


    I do not wish to copy apps unless need to. Only have 2 or 3 apps that I will need to re-install.


    Is Setup Assistant the best way to copy user account from G5 Leopard to ML? Are there any problems with the entire user folder moving to new imac?


    Is there a Migration Assistant update I must install before using SA. I see one avail if moving to Lion but no info on moving to ML


    If I copy via SA will I have problems with same user acc on 2 computers? I wish to still use G5. Will the user acc still exist on G5....as in copied not moved via SA?


    Do I understand correctly that by using SA my iTunes, iPhoto, mail, safari and Firefox bookmarks, will be copied to new imac...and those apps will operate same on new imac as old imac?


    It appears I will need two transfer via Ethernet as g5 is only FW400....only TB to FW800 cable iis available right?


    If instead I decide to manually copy user acc folders and not use SA will I have user acc conflict or duplicate user? is this method more problematic?


    Sorry but I am wanting to obviously do this move as trouble-free as possible. Most info I have read is 2 or 3 years old, many citing issues with permissions, library files etc. Are these issues still happening now with current version of ML?


    Anyone done this RECENTLY and wish to share results or advice?


    Many Thanks,


  • dwb Level 7 (22,240 points)

    Setup Assistant lets you make some basic choices including the ability to (a) copy or not copy applications and (b) select which folders you want to copy.


    You are choosing (probably wisely) to not copy your applications. Once you've selected the G5 iMac or external backup drive deselect applications but select your personal drive space (This is your account name) to be copied.


    I notice that you mention a couple applications by name. Setup/Migration Assistant doesn't permit you to pick and choose applications to copy - it is all or nothing. I recommend that you make no attempt to copy appliations from the old to the new computer. Instead download the ones you want. Many programs can by copied via Finder and work just fine but not all can. Installing fresh is the better choice.


    Back when my wife replaced her G4 iMac with a mini at work this is the procedure I used.

  • Dennis Kulpa Level 1 (15 points)

    I recently purchased a 2011 iMac with ML from the refurb site and moved files from a 9-year-old Power PC G5 with Tiger (10.4.11).  I had updated apps that I could install on the iMac (Office, etc).  Once I did that, I manually copied my document files (Word, Excel, PDF's, etc) from the G5 to the iMac, dragged the entire iTunes folder from the G5 to the iMac.  This was clean and safe, no "corruption" due to differences in hardware or operating systems.



  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 (1,995 points)

    philc4imac wrote:


    This is list of items I wish to copy to new imac.


    3-quicken 2007 (data files - hope to install new quicken 2007 for ML-not sure of correct process, though. I'm guessing install Q2007 for ML then copy data files from old imac?)


    BE CAREFUL with Quicken! 


    When Intuit finally released Quicken 2007 for Lion v16.1.1 in March, 2013 it was a godsend for older Quicken PPC users.  It will directly open the data file from Quicken 2005, 2006 or 2007 PPC versions.  The upgrade to 16.1.2 with the release of Mountain Lion was also stable.


    I found version 16.1.3 to crash on opening on my Lion Mac, so I downgraded back to version 16.1.2 and all is well.  Others are now reporting that version 16.1.4, the current version sold by Intuit, is also causing some problems.  I have not been able to isolate these reports.


    My point: purchase Quicken 2007 for Lion, but ALSO:


    1.  Make copies of your Quicken 2007 PPC data file and back them up BEFORE you attempt to open it in 16.1.4; and


    2.  If you run into problems, let me know by email (michaellax) at AOL dot com.


    If it works fine for you, please report that too!

  • philc4imac Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks for Quicken alert. I will backup data before trying to open in ML.


    Generally it seems manually moving files and settings will be better than using SA, keeping new Mac clean. Just will take longer.


    Can I create the same user account on new imac? Will this be better, cause issues or not matter?

  • Dennis Kulpa Level 1 (15 points)

    I have the same user account on 3 different computers all on the same home network - my new iMac, the old G5 and a MacMini (running 10.6.8).  It simplifies my life when switching between computers and I've never had any problems or issues resulting from it.