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Mac Pro restore hd

Having huge problems restoring the Hd on a Mac Pro.


Started by verifying disk. It basically stopped part way through and said I had to restore hd from backup (1 to time machine hd with 16 gb free out of 982 gb used)


Tried restore. It hummed align for a few hours then said it could not continue and to start again! This was after saying it was going to Tahoe over 500 hours to complete.


Tried again. After selecting source for backup, it basically did nothing for over an hour and never did retina a restroom point ( which had eventually happened the first time). Cut power. Goes to same point as before and does nothing (spinning color wheel only)


Reboot and try a verify disk on time machine hd. It has been stuck there for hours saying it will be clone in 36 minutes.


So here we sit with a machine seemingly lost in the twilight zone with no progress of any sort on the horizon


What suggestions might you have for this one?


Thanks


Geoff

Mac Pro, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.2), Matrox Triple Head To Go Display De

Posted on May 1, 2013 6:12 PM

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May 1, 2013 6:23 PM in response to TheWalkers

( Repair Disk ) only checks and repairs the Directory area of a Drive. It does not read ANY data blocks.


Your Drive sounds like it has Bad Blocks, and is suffering many many many re-tries. You should replace it to make fast progress now, or Zero it to force it to substitute spares (and determine whether it can be re-used or not).


To Zero:


use Disk Utility to Security Erase, Zero all Data, one pass (one click off the default of no security). This takes several hours to complete, and of course removes all data on the drive in a way that is completely un-recoverable. If it finishes with no errors, blocks have been substituted and you have 100 percent good blocks again.


If you get "Initialization failed!" it means more than 10 blocks were substituted, and you can run either it again or give up on the drive.

May 3, 2013 6:08 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Grant - thank you for this. The problem machine is still hung up doing a Verify of my backup disk and I cannot access it at all to try your suggestions


Is there a consequence to interrupting a Verify part way through? The backup is a 1 TB disc that I started a verify on almost two days ago. I stopped it once after a few hours and got a message saying I should not do that so started it again.


At first it said it would take about 1.5 days then 12 hours later it said it was going to take over 3 dats. A few hours later it said it would take over 4.5 days, last night it said it would take 3.5 dats and this morning it seems stuck on the same time projection The guage is hoiwng about 1/4 complete


This drive is my last possibility for all my backup files and important that I save it


Any suggestions?


Thanks


Geoff

May 3, 2013 6:29 AM in response to TheWalkers

I never use Verify.


It should not take that long.


Disk Warrior though can - with a highly damaged directory and file system and have seen and read where it took hours and days.


Never interrupt. Though a verify should be safer. And never do an "erase free space" and stop it (or use it unless you must).


I would buy a couple new drives. One for replacement, one to recover files to.


Data Rescue 3


Carbon Copy Cloner


A new 3TB WD RED 3TB $118 and two new 1TB or larger drives.


Never live with just one backup. Clone it once or twice AND TimeMachine.


TimeMachine has a more complex file and directory structure.


I use two drives for TimeMachine. I use one for a week, switch over. Or use one just on weekend and do a one-time update to it and then go back to my daily use TimeMachine.


Grant might have mentioned - never let a drive get to less than 10% free. And with just 16GB out of 1TB that means all the free space is small, tiny, fragmented, and so is the directory, and files. HFSX does not like that and you could lose the index to where all your files are... which is what it sounds like happened.


One case where Disk Warrior or TechTool Pro 6 might be in order, only because you don't have enough backups and it was so very low on free space.


You could take the 3TB NAS RED and have 1.5TB for clone A


TimeMachine: you want more than 3x the amount of storage as your data will total, and take into account changes, updates, revisions, archived copies and such. And try to keep your active drives with no more than 60% full. And system drive should be just that, system and apps and next to nothing else. No media and data folders, those go on other drives.

May 3, 2013 7:07 AM in response to The hatter

Thank you for this. Lots to mull over. I will have to wait now and see if or when Verify of my Time Machine backup disc finishes. That is the one with about 1% free space. Guess there is no way to set time machine to only go to a certain limit?


The main problem disk has about 35% free if I can ever get it back.


Thank goodness for other computers in the house


Thanks again. Stay tuned.


Geoff

May 3, 2013 7:17 AM in response to TheWalkers

One of the things that has bothered me is the seeming lack of HFSX to have a quota system and restrict and prevent using a drive - and the drive should show up with a nice red slash or X - and of course alert. For TimeMachine to even say "drive full" and ask to swap in a new drive. Or for "file storage" pools - Windows 8 just assign a new drive to the pool for backup use. There are improvements that went into HFSX but not all the features wanted when people asked or looked at what ZFS would offer.


70% full you do find performance suffers with many functions: time to seek, head movement, more use of slower areas of the disk platter tracks.


I'm sure a better storage and backup strategy can be worked out and 'grow into' to meet your needs and maybe household's. NAS RAID5 box even. Always have off line and even off site backup copies. A UPS to provide runtime and protection for power events and just to provide uptime and no unexpected issues. To protect high performance modems and routers, and a router with USB3 storage ability.

May 3, 2013 9:18 AM in response to The hatter

Again thank you sir


Now a Q from us oldies, I have SATA drvives on my 4 yr old Mac Pro. Are these RED drives you refer to the latest anbd greatest type or do I have another problem to come here?


Also I have all drive bays full - a Boot Camp drive and a resting place for a 1TB full of movies. And the Time Machine disk did send me warnings saying it was full but I assumed(?) that it would erase old files as it copied new ones.


Presuming that I can finish my Verify of the Time Machine drive will I be better off replacing the main HD with a new one and do a restore from my overfull backup? Would it be better to get a much larger backup drive and clone the Time Machine drive content to it then do a restore from that? What would the best way be to get the data off the overfull drive to a larger one to make sure the data is secure?


The initial problem started by Verfiying the main drive in the first place when it burped and said do a restore, Then reading the TM restore disk clearly was problematic from what I now know was the 1% free factor.


Ahh many Q's and no way of rushing things along.


Thanks again so much for your guidance on all this


Geoff

May 3, 2013 9:52 AM in response to TheWalkers

4 yrs for any of those drives? time to retire them to archive purpose, extra backups.


Aim for 50% free / used


WD RED are for RAID and NAS and unlike green are 7200 rpm but at similar pricing as WD Green


Adding a SSD PCIe controller can let you move your system out of drive bay.


Using a drive in lower optical drive bay works too to add 5th


External drive for at least one backup set. Some externals are hot swap and therefore just put in drive for backup and then put it off line on shelf. 2 - drive bays $75


I agree that the warning from T.M. should have just remove old, but it always needs room even for temp files. I am waiting after 6.5 yrs for T.M. methodology to mature 😟


You have to remember the days of SCSI voodoo and all the things we had to learn about active termination, cables, what slot to use and the rest!


Cloning T.M. is not in the cards.


Start fresh with a new drive for TimeMachine backups. Period. Until you know or just forget it but that drive needs a full zero all - about 6 hrs on a WD Black today.


System drive: SSD $100

TimeMachine: WD RED $120 3TB

Date: WD Black 2TB

Sonnet Tempo PCIe SSD SATA: $150-300 (optional expansion and performance)


A nice clean OS install to get on a solid foundation, then use Setup Assistant ONLY if you trust where the data is coming from.


For every and each volume, CLONE it at least once and then update with CCC "as needed." Two clones is ideal as redundant safety precaution and so one set is always live and one is off line and safe.


Data Rescue 3 first. Disk Warrior 4.x+ second.

Carbon Copy Cloner on non-TimeMachine volumes has an Advanced Settings : Option - do a checksum on each and every file. Takes longer but insures you get a good copy.


So you may need to "recover" files once, then clone the recovered files a 2nd time just to be sure you have good data.


Disk Warrior can do a long thorough "scavenger" of the drive and bypass the directory and work with what it finds out on the drive and assemble a new directory.

From its Preview window you can see the volume's Before / After and you can copy manually (don't think you can clone but might) any files you need.

Disk Warrior in extreme cases has run for days. Successfully.

TechTool Pro 5 and later would work sometimes but it was able to CREATE and write new directory changes in low space situations.


That almost sounds like something you want someone who has done it all once or more and also buying programs for one-time use possibly - compared to if you owned in the past.

That is why backup sets are the best maintenance and avoid the cost and all of those software programs.


To know that your drive is 'healthy' one of the best bets I think is a known reliable program that runs in background and reports bad sectors and can map them out. SoftRAID 4 $140. Back 12 yrs ago the support and all was worth more than the program.


Windows. I use it, but for some they get along just fine with using it in a VM rather than dual boot and run Windows natively. And avoid a dedicated drive (though that is the best way if you use Windows in dual boot and enough to justify).


RED. RAID Enabled. Suitable for RAID5 and NAS. Firmware optimized for RAID and time limit error recovery feature. WD Black 4TB drives are $399. You could have 3-4 x RED (3TB) in a mirror for backup set using RAID5 or even mirror (RAID1) or RAID10 even. Drive box and other equipjment extra but nice LAN backup.


Some people do a lot of media streaming on their LAN and want something to store all their media library and access from.

May 3, 2013 10:10 AM in response to The hatter

Thanks for this again


Must say my old braun is getting flooded with stuff here that is confusing me, I have seen the RAID name around but know nothing about it


Are you saying that SATA drives are passé and I should be using these other drives?


Should i forget trying to restore to a fresh drive from my overfull TM or is that still possible?


Or should I be trying to recover the main drive using the Warrior programs you mention?


Note too that I live in Ecuador and do not have the 'toy shops' available to go buy from lotsa choices of hardware.


And I am a home user that thought I had simple needs :-)


BTW the Boot Camp dedicated drive is used strictly for my flight sim experiences and will remain as a dedicated drive. That is the only excursion into Windows environment I care to be making


Let me see if I have a clear path here.


- finish verifying TM drive and HOPE it can be used to recover to a fresh HD


- try to recover main problem drive using one or more of the tools mentioned


- verify what type of drives I need to buy now. Please note I am not a real techie so all the newer terminogy is a bit challenging


Thanks so much again for your guidance and patience


Geoff

May 3, 2013 10:50 AM in response to TheWalkers

SATA is a type specification, an interface. ALL drives (other than say SAS or SCSI) are "sata"


I would not restore from your over full drive.


Oh well the neighborhood geek? they make great toy shops.

With the right surgeon even a Windows PC can be used to scan and recover Mac's HFSX files.


Simple is what Apple hopes. That is why TimeMachine nags and nags to "do you want to use this for TimeMachine" everytime I format a drive.


New graphic cards on Mac make flying easier and more fun 🙂


The verify is sort of doomed. Disk Utility isn't doing anything and it will get lost and confused. But it is your "all the eggs in one basket" also and... fragile.


I shop Amazon USA and others online but I know UK has slimmer offerings. In the EU there are some giant online stores for toys.


I use those old toys like an admiral with his map and charts and salt-shaker for a flattop carrier: move the destroyer escorts to here, and picture diagram my army.


In US$ for $100 you can roughly get any of these:


Samsung 840 120GB SSD / WD Black 1TB / WD RED 3TB / WD 10K VelociRaptor 250GB


Only one new to this thread is the WD 10K - more like pre-SATA SCSI drives, larger than the SSD but rock solid and while not as fast a decent little performer.


You need to have a regular hard drive for system even if you use an SSD.


Data Rescue 3 $90 but the demo is free and will show you if you is able to find most files to recover to another drive.


One drive for TimeMachine and one for clones and recovery.


Data should be on one drive, cloned to a 2nd at least, and on your TimeMachine.


I would probably have:


2 x WD RED 3TB - backup drive and recovery, can be used for data, multiple partitions for "clones"

2 x WD Black 1TB - data and clone copy

System drive of your choosing


An external drive enclosure - or two - for backups.

May 3, 2013 10:55 AM in response to The hatter

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May 4, 2013 8:55 AM in response to The hatter

OK back for one more dose of good advixe


Had a major catastrophe yesterday when after 3 days of verifying the TM drive, there was a major power outage so so much for that!


My questions norw hopefully are a little more focused.


Should I try to do whatever to use the original system drive (total zero etc) or just get a new drive, reinnstall my osx from a disk and strat filling it?


If I cannot restore from the overfull disk how can I recover what is on that? There is over 10 years of stuff there including tones of photos, produced videos etc and something I really dont want to give up on


If I get any of these ohher s/w pacakges how do I use them if I cannot get the mahince started and where do I dl them to? Can I use them from aonterh machin?


Again thanks so much


Geoff

May 4, 2013 9:10 AM in response to TheWalkers

I keep pushing for these 900W/1500VA units:


UPS

http://www.amazon.com/CyberPower-CP1500PFCLCD-Compatible-1500VA-Tower/dp/B00429N 19W/


Okay...


Build a new foundation, a new home, for your OS and system.


Then add what bricks you can salvage and reuse.


When someone comes and says "but it is valuable, 10 yrs" I ask, WHERE ARE THE BACKUP TAPES?


You will have a new clean OS. That is easy.


Data recovery services make the $500 investment in new drives, disk recovery utilites, small cakes with their $2000 ? pricing.


Diskology Pro - your own forensic

http://www.diskology.com/diskjockeyproducts.html


http://diskology.com/djforensic.html


You can get your machine started with a bare new blank drive and an OS Installer.

May 4, 2013 1:09 PM in response to The hatter

So you are saying there is little hope of redcovering what is on my TM baackup disk? And maybe one of the s/w pacakges may be used after to see what I can pull ??


A new home clearly means a new, unadulterated HD 0 right?


I guess I will have to start with my old Lion disk - I think I still have that somoewhere. All else is on iCloud etc


Given I have zero access to any new hardware for at least a couple of weeks I may just try the zeroing trick on the current drive for now to at least get some life if the old girl


Thanks so much forr everything again sir. Much appreciated


Geioff


PS - the vintage Bufafalo Air DC-3 featured on Ice Pilots (History Channelg) is one of my fave old beasts (and the first aircraft I every flew in, Gotta get a base so I can at least get Boot Camp up

May 5, 2013 8:13 AM in response to TheWalkers

When you download Lion or Mountain Lion, save it! put it on a flash drive and test and make an installer flash or DVD.


I don't think you want original. And if you have an ATI 5770 you need 10.6.5 or later.


Okay so use 10.6.3 DVD and upgrade it to 10.6.8.


Leave it AS IS.


Install Mountain on another physical drive.


You may want to dual boot or test ML out (the SL drive can become a bootable backup clone of ML later)


Create an OS X Lion Install disc

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13727_7-20080989-263/how-to-create-an-os-x-lion-ins tallation-disc


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Lion would be nice to have around. An installer ? or just a working bootable system with 10.7.x, as long as it is or was in good working order. Then you can be up and running.


Try Data Rescue 3 and have a drive for it to recover files too that is safe and unused.


Windows can read HFSX but I would not take a chance with your drives until they are recovered.


VERIFY does nothing, fixes nothing, is a waste of time basically.


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