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Questions regarding logic board replacement...

I believe I have one of the mid-2010 MacBook Pro units affected by TS4088. Yesterday was the first day it exhibited the problem. My AppleCare ran out April 26, 2013 (13 days ago). I have made an appointment with a genius at my local Apple Store.


1. Will they still replace the logic board? (wording in TS4088 seems a bit vague on this)


2. How long does it take?


3. If the problem is not fixed, will it cause any serious damage to my computer? (or just the inconvenience of it blacking out from time to time?)


4. If they won't fix it under warranty, how much does it cost out of pocket?

MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.7.5), 15-inch, Mid 2010

Posted on May 9, 2013 5:07 AM

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Posted on May 9, 2013 5:15 AM

If there is a known fault in the logic board, Apple often operates the same as car companies, bring it in for service as a recall item and covers the repair. Since they have acknowledged an issue one hopes they treat it that way.


Time depends on the store, how busy they are, available parts (even if not there they can usually get the board in a day) so as a guess, a week.


Not fixing a fault is not a great idea, you cannot be sure there is not another problem so it is best to have it resolved.


Logic boards typically are in the price range of $350-700 depending on the computer and work involved.

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May 9, 2013 5:15 AM in response to ddupont

If there is a known fault in the logic board, Apple often operates the same as car companies, bring it in for service as a recall item and covers the repair. Since they have acknowledged an issue one hopes they treat it that way.


Time depends on the store, how busy they are, available parts (even if not there they can usually get the board in a day) so as a guess, a week.


Not fixing a fault is not a great idea, you cannot be sure there is not another problem so it is best to have it resolved.


Logic boards typically are in the price range of $350-700 depending on the computer and work involved.

May 9, 2013 7:30 AM in response to Ralph Landry1

Ralph,


Thank you so much for your reply. I'm trying to gather as much info before I go into this because this is my work computer and being without it for a week is going to be difficult (=impossible?).


A few new questions come to mind:


1. Can they diagnose the problem at the Apple Store, or does it have to be sent off even to diagnose it?


2. If they diagnose it there, will I have the option of repairing it at a local Mac service provider. I am finding that these folks claim they can fix anything in 24-48 hours. I just wasn't sure if they could fix it if it was part of a "recall". The one place I have called so far said that Apple has to authorize it as a recall first, and that the Genius would have to send it off even to have it evaluated, which obviously wouldn't help me too much in the time department.


3. If I take it in to the Apple Store and they are able to diagnose it onsite, do I have to leave my computer right then? Or could I come back and leave it with them at a more convenient time? I feel like time is of the essence, but this is just the absolute worst time for this to happen. Swamped!

May 9, 2013 7:38 AM in response to ddupont

The Apple store geniuses/techs have diagnostic tools far beyond those available to we merre mortals...they should be able to diagnose a problem if there is one.


Can it be taken to an Apple Authorized Service Provider for repair, yes but I am not sure of the mechanics of do you need a "referrral" like from one physician to a specialist to be sure the repair is covered at Apple's expense. They should be able to tell you that at the genius bar. I find it hard to believe the geniuses cannot diagnose the system on the spot, but I have given them too much credit on occasion so see what happens with them 🙂


If they do diagnose it, you do not have to leave it, repair is at your discretion, but do keep in mind that if something else happens that is not covered you may end up paying the entire bill...unless, of course, you get it recorded in the Apple record system that you had this diagnosis doen on this date, etc. So there is a record of the existence of the fault. Just make sure there is an acequate track record for your own protection.


That help?

May 9, 2013 8:21 AM in response to Ralph Landry1

Yes, you are being very helpful. Thank you! When it comes to customer service, I try to assume the worst case scenario and prepare for that. The worst case scenario here would be I show up on Saturday and they confiscate my computer at the Genius Bar: "We're taking it NOW or the deal's off!" LOL


I'm thinking I could do without it easier on Tuesday-Thursday of next week so I am thinking of rescheduling my Genius appointment until Tuesday. That way the worst case is they say: "Sorry, we would have fixed it when it was 15 days out of warranty, but now it's 17 days. ***** to be you, doesn't it?"


I think the best case is what you suggest about the referral, and what I would think the most reasonable course of action would be. I get my permission slip and take it to a local joint and they fix it in 2 days.


Perhaps the best thing to do would be to call the Apple Store. I wonder if I would get to talk to a human being?

May 9, 2013 8:38 AM in response to ddupont

When you ask for the pemission slip, don't forget to also get a hall pass 😁


Still consider the genius bar on Saturday, make an appointment since they can get pretty busy, and if they say repair, ask if you can make an appointment for that to be done on Tuesday...give them time to get the logic board in, know their workload, and you can press for a specific time for it to be returned to you. I am always a fan of trying to work with these people and make it appear that I am being cooperative and thinking of their workload 😉


Even when I am being self-serving about doing that.


If you have time, post the results, I would be interested in seeing how this gets resolved. We are all fellow users on here and not Apple employees so resolution info is helpful.

May 9, 2013 8:48 AM in response to Ralph Landry1

Update: I called my local Apple Store and after telling the automaton that answered that I wanted to "Speak to a Representative", I did manage to speak to one who was very friendly and helpful. 🙂


He said that they would not require me to leave it at the time of my appointment and they would go over my options and let me decide what to do from there. It's not 100% certain that the logic board will have to be replaced. But if so, he said that most likely they would have to order the part, and I could probably keep my computer till the part came in, then bring it back. He said it was rare that they had to send anyone's computer off anywhere and that they do most such repairs in house.


After speaking with him, I feel more confident about keeping my Saturday appointment. I will be sure to update again after that.


Thanks so much for your help!

May 9, 2013 10:40 AM in response to ddupont

I had my 2010 15" repaired a month ago. The first diagnostic test they run won't detect the problem with the logic board. Make sure they run the VST (Video Systems Test). I was never so relieved to see the word "failed".


https://www.dropbox.com/s/sku03qbz217iyqe/IMG_0273.jpg


They had the part in store and I was told 24-48 hours. They fixed it in less than 20 hours and I was told if they hadn't been fairly busy I probably would have had it back later that same afternoon. I've had zero problems since. Good luck with the warranty issue. I have no idea if they'll fix it for free. Could depend on the store/representative that helps you.

May 12, 2013 12:59 PM in response to ddupont

Update: I went to my Genius appointment yesterday and had the VST test done. It FAILED. When it came to whether or not Apple would cover the cost of fixing the problem, there was a bit of a snag. The official policy is that they cover it for 3 years from the date of purchase. For me, that day passed on April 23. The Genius called a manager into the back room to discuss it, then came out and said they were going to cover mine. I was grateful, but really feel like this defect should be remedied no matter how long a person has had the computer.


Then he said that he needed to send it off because it would take the same amount of time as if they did it there. I thought that seemed kind of odd. When I had spoken to a representative prior to coming to my appointment, they told me that they do most repairs in house and that I could probably keep my computer while waiting for the part to come in.


I asked if I could get a "permission slip" to have it repaired locally, the Genius said that since Apple was covering the repairs it would be best for me to just go along with the plan, since they were bending the rules for me, etc.

May 12, 2013 1:51 PM in response to ddupont

Well, the good news is that they'll fix it for you. That is a $500-$600 repair. Interesting that they wanted to ship it out for repairs. The cost of shipping and insuring a macbook pro roundtrip has to be considerably more than just shipping a very light logic board one way. I live 3 hours away from my nearest Apple store and I asked them if they could ship it back to me after it was repaired. They absolutely refused citing their store policy of not covering the insurance costs for shipping.


I'd just go with the flow and be thankful they are covering the cost. Who knows, maybe it'll get damaged during the shipping and they'll have to give you a new computer.

May 12, 2013 2:41 PM in response to ddupont

It certainly is good news that hey are ready to cover, but a week or two out of here years isn't that much unless you are a real legalistic person. Being friendly and wanting to work with them pays off. Sorry the "confiscated" to send off, but they are paying so that is a huge plus.


Thanks fot the feedback and best regards for the rest of this process.

May 12, 2013 4:06 PM in response to ddupont

Yes, I am certainly going to go with the flow! I've found a loaner for the week, so that's a big load off my mind. If this experience has taught me anything it's...


1. Anyone who is as dependent on her computer as I am really MUST have a backup computer. I can't believe this never occurred to me. The only other Mac I currently have is an ancient Power PC (pre-intel) tower. None of my software will even load on that!


2. Next time when I do buy another new computer with the expensive 3-year Apple Care, you better bet that I will be taking it in every time it even flickers while it's under that warranty. Looking back I can remember a few weird things off and on over the years, but in general it's run like a charm up until the last week. Next time I'm going in the second I have any hint of an issue. "It made a funny noise, Mr. Genius. Help!!!"


Call me paranoid, but still.

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