6 Replies Latest reply: May 27, 2013 3:42 PM by HugoMe
HugoMe Level 1 (25 points)

When visualizing  your pictures, you can filter them so that you only see the top of the stack.

To do that, you need to go in the filter (cmd F) and tick the appropriate checkbox on the top, whose label in english should be "stack extract only" or something similar, then close the filter.


However, if you want to see again the other pics in the stack, you need to reopen the filter, "untick" it at the same place, close the filter.


Does anybody know of a keyboard shortcut to achieve that ?

Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.7.4), 2x2.66 dual core xeon
  • Kirby Krieger Level 6 (12,510 points)

    I do not, and I did not find one in the Aperture Command Set ("Aperture➞Commands➞Customize").  I have never found the need for this, which made me wonder "Why not?"  The answer, I think, is that I expand and collapse Stacks all the time.  When I want to see just the Stack Picks, I collapse all Stacks.  (Three ways to execute this command: menu, toolbar icon, keyboard shortcut).  This is visually equivalent to filtering by "Stack pick only", but without the complication of having that (tricky) filter set.


    Does that help?  Detail your workflow, and others may contribute other suggestions for a way to work with Aperture.  The only other thing that occurs to me is to leave the Filter HUD open (you can drag it anywhere), and click to toggle the state of the "Stack pick only" checkbox whevever you want.

  • HugoMe Level 1 (25 points)

    Actually, i'm in a process of classifying my entire library (~10 000 pics), so my workflow might be a little specific. And is not yet stabilized.

    So far, what I do is parse the entire library to stack it, using the automatic stacking feature, then adjusting manually to build relevant stacks, and keep at top of each stack the best pic.


    So in each project, I build the stacks, and while i am at it rate some pics, usually the best one. Also some pics are already rated priorly. Once i've done that, I close all stacks.

    Then I filter by "not rated", and have to choose the "stack extract only" tick, to see only the tops.

    I can then see only the not rated and complete the rating in each album (without forgetting any or having to check for each pic if rated or not).

    By doing that i spare rating each pic in a stack, sometimes there are a lot (usually 3-5) .

    When i go to another project, i have to untick; and so on.

    Leaving the HUD open is a bit cumbersome as it takes some screen real estate, and also does not work across projects

  • Kirby Krieger Level 6 (12,510 points)

    1.  I went through something similar when I committed to Aperture.  A little while later I discovered that "Version Stacks" were important to me, and found no way to use Stacks effectively for both Version Stacking and what might be called "Make-a-Pick Stacking".  I stopped making Stacks for grouping Images from which to make a Pick (I extracted this entire step from my workflow).  I don't miss it (it is easy to the point of obvious which Images I would have put into a "Make-a-Pick Stack").  So the first thing to address, IME, is if your use of "Make-a-Pick Stacking" is going to interfere with your use of Version Stacks.  (I suggested to Apple that they remedy this incompatible dual use of the Stacking feature, perhaps by implementing two kinds of Stacks.)


    2.  I want to make sure I understand you workflow before I go much further.  You are using Stacks to group like Images from which you will make one "the Pick" or will abandon all the Images in the Stack?  You want to be able to quickly identify those Stacks that do not have a Pick?  You are currently trying to do this by using the filter

    {"Unrated" "Stack picks only"}, which shows you all Stacks* where the Pick is unrated?  (*Unstacked Images are treated by Aperture as a Stack of one Image.)  When that filter shows no Images, you know that you have made a Pick from each Stack (because the Pick of the Stack is rated 1★-5★)?

  • HugoMe Level 1 (25 points)

    Hi Kirby


    1. So far I plan to use Stacks for both uses: "version stacking" and "alike stacking"; since i've begun to do that, I have however become more selective in the "alike stacking" grouping. I only stack pictures that have the same angle (not topic), in order to keep some sense to browsing through projects with stacks closed.


    2. You're correct. With the precision that I want ultimately across my entire library each single pic, or each Pick of a stack, to be rated 1★-5★

    Now in this discussion we are drifting away from the intial topic (a UI issue) to a more fundamental one, which is workflow.

    So please let me rephrase the workflow issue, as I see it:


    I am not a professional photographer. I take pictures for my pleasure. Some are of my kids, some are from some places I went to that I want to remember, and some try more or less to convey an artistic value.


    Formerly, they used to be printed and stored. Now they are only digital.

    By rating and documenting them, I believe I give the photographing process a meaning.

    Every pic has a keyword (including names of my kids), a project named by the context, a date.

    So basically :

    1) the goal of archiving the growth of my kids is achieved

    2) the goal of archiving the places I went to is achieved


    Now, by rating them, I kind of feel that the "artistic" process is completed. The picture has been taken, and the output has been evaluated. In itself, this gives me a feeling of accomplishment. And I believe there is a collateral effect that I more or less conciously learn how to take better pictures, through a feedback loop. Indeed, rating it I reconsider the framing, the composition, the relevancy of settings for the shot (speed, aperture, zoom,...)  also the editing opportunities to optimize the rendering. For example, I realize that some contre-jours cannot really be saved. Which will make me avoid some of them in the future. That rapidly in zooming you have shallow depth of field, ...

    I knew all of that, but by actually checking the results, i begin to qualify more when it is acceptable , and when it is not.


    Additionnaly, I intend to print some of my best pics, and I would not want to forget some hidden jewel somewhere.


    As you see, the rationale for rating is objectionnable, but so far, I tends to fit my psychology.


    After this long disgression, i can come back to the issue of workflow.

    I have two processes to define.

    - One is for taking care of all the pics in my library (the 10 000); I can tell you it is a bit painful, and I am trying to find some way to make it easier. With some pic editing put in it to make it more rewarding, we are talking weeks of labour, part-time. So far i feel the need to work project by project, in order to have the benefit or remembering each context, to have intermediate goals, and to avoid messing up something on a too big scale

    - One is to define how I will handle future pictures. I am quite open to suggestion here. So far, I follow this pattern:


    1) Import as raw+jpeg, as the apple raw conversion process is not perfect and I want to keep the "original" rendering

    2) Delete missed ones

    3) Stack

    4) Document ( check dates, places, faces, keywords)

    5) Rate, 2 or 3 iterative passes

    6) Edit the best ones (chromatic abberration, red eyes, sharpness, contrast and shadows, reframing ...). Try alternative versions

    7) Print some

    8) (Planned) Sharing projects through iPad (need the next version to be fast enough) and AppleTV (need to update my Home Cinema, current quality is too low). Step 8 recommend that I do not stack too heavily in step 3.

    9) Keep with me the best ones (automatic iPhone synchronization)


    Hope this helps. Thank you for your interest

  • Kirby Krieger Level 6 (12,510 points)

    Your thinking seems astute to me; I applaud your thougtfulness.  I won't have time to work through all you've written until tomorrow, but I am looking forward to replying then.



  • HugoMe Level 1 (25 points)

    Thanks for your interest.

    In the mean time, I have completed the rating of my library (i had started earlier and spent 2 full days on it, pretty maniac...).

    What I did was create a "not rated" album which spans the entire collection, ("only stack picks").

    And created a shortcut to present the pic inside its project


    Starting from the album, i can with one keystroke go to the project where i can rate the entire project sequentially (after having stacked them), then go back to the album, and start over with the next project with a pic not rated.


    By the way, in doing that I'm still erring a little on the use of Stacks for "version stacking" and "alike stacking", as you were pointing out.


    On one side I want to keep the versions in one stack, on the other if there are several versions that are worth looking at, i want to be able to see them, when the stacks are closed. So finally I moved the well rated altenative pics out of their stacks


    Basically my workflow was then:


    1) Automatic stack by time

    2) Rearrange pics between stacks

    3) Choose top of stack for each stack

    4) Rate each top of stack (close stacks and present only top of stack)

    5) Second pass of rating to harmonize it, from 5 stars-only filter, to 3 stars filter


    I works Ok. The only little annoyance is when in the process of rating ("top of stack only"), sometimes I realize that one pic can be reframed. As I want to keep the original framing visible, I have to make an alternative version and to do that, I need to go out of the "top of stack only" presentation to work on it, only to come back in that mode a minute later.


    Anyway, I'm still interested if you have any thoughts on the workflow for future pics.