Problems using Devanagari-Qwerty keyboard in Mountain Lion

Please ignore previous question above. I hit "save" before finishing editing the question.

I have read all the discussions about Devanagari-Qwerty and have looked at and used all the websites that give instructions. But many do not apply to a Mac using 10.8.3. Nor do I get any answers from the people at Apple-Care when I phone them. My current questions are the following:

1. What is the exact default font that is attached to the Devanagari-Qwerty keyboard in Mountain Lion? It appears not to be Devanagari Sangam MN, and it is definitely NOT Devanagari MT. I cannot even use Devanagari MT in Mountain Lion on any of my programs, such as Microsoft Word or Adobe InDesign. Strangely, in Microsoft Word, it appears to default to Sanskrit 2003, which makes no sense.

2. I have spent the last few hours trying to figure out how to use Devanagari QWERTY to type one of the Sanskrit vowels that transliterates as "kree" or "kreem: ऋ़ं According to the instructions I have read, theoretically this should work by typing option+r, shift+f, shift+m. This works okay in Text Edit or on this discussion board. But it does not work In Microsoft Word or InDesign. It just types a nukta after the "kr"

3. I cannot figure out how to turn on or use any advanced typography characters with Microsoft Word or with Font Book in any Sanskrit font with Mountain Lion. The instructions I have read do not apply to Mountain Lion.

I have been wasting many hours! Please help me!

Dear Tom,

Thank you so much for responding to my questions. I have more questions:

1. InDesign says it does support Indic scripts:

http://blogs.adobe.com/vikrant/2012/05/indesign-cs6-indic-support-and-preference s/

I have followed their instructions and have turned on that script in their program. Yet I still have problems.

2. What is the default font that is connected to the Devanagari Qwerty and Devanagari language keyboards on Mountain Lion? Or is it different for each program? MSW appears to default to "Sanskrit 2003." Text Edit appears to default to "Devanagari Sangam MN." InDesign appears to default to "Adobe Devanagari." Yet I cannot actually choose any of these fonts and use them in MSW or InDesign. In other words, on the font list, they do not display any Sanskrit characters. Instead, they become English letters when I select them from the list to type with. But if I use Devanagari Qwerty or Devanagari language preferences to type with, then they do show up as Sanskrit characters. I do have other Sanskirt fonts that do appear on the font list and that display properly. But none of these other fonts default when I use Devanagari Qwerty or Devanagari. This is very confusing.

3. I have never seen the gear wheel on any program except Text Edit. I wish I could find it, because I would like to turn on "additional conjuncts." I can go to Format > Fonts > Show Fonts with Microsoft Word, but I see no gear wheel. With InDesign, which supposedly does support Indic fonts, I don't know where to go in order to find the gear wheel. And I don't see any gear wheel on the Font Book program.

4. My publisher requires that I use Microsoft Word to deliver my manuscripts. They do not accept any other programs. I am trying to type Sanskrit letters easier by using Devanagari Qwerty and/or Devanagari keyboard on my Mac. Any solution for Microsoft Word? Whatever solution I use has to also be compatible with InDesign, because my publisher copies and pastes everything into InDesign to design the final pages.

Thank you!

Dear Tom,

Thank you, and here are more questions:

5. Devanagari MT did not even show up on the list of fonts on the top Font menu bar when I opened Microsoft Word. Then I went to Font Book and placed both Devanagari MT and Devanagari Sangam MN into my "Font Collections," and they are now on the Font Collections list in my list of Fonts in MSW, but when I follow the arrow to the right, no actual font appears in either case, and I cannot select them.

6. If I turn on "Additional Conjuncts" in Text Edit, does that only apply to Text Edit? Which program or programs should I turn them on in order to use them? I cannot find any gear wheel other than in Text Edit.

7. When I try to copy and paste Sanskrit characters from Text Edit into Microsoft Word, the Sanskrit formatting sometimes gets screwed up.

8. Do I always have to go to Font Book and add fonts to Font Collections first in order to use this gear wheel? I am trying to find out which is the actual default Devanagari and Devanagari QWERTY font for which I should turn on the Additional Conjuncts. Once I add the Additional Conjuncts, how can I use them? Is there a keyboard or instructions for them anywhere?

9. If I open Text Edit and choose Devanagari MT from the top menu bar, Sanskrit letters do not appear. English letters appear. I cannot even find Devanagari Sangam MN on the list of fonts in Text Edit. And if I choose another font called Devanagari in Text Edit, that types Engish letters also. The only way I can type Sanskrit characters in Text Edit is to turn on the Devanagari or Devanagari QWERTY language on the top Finder menu bar and then open Text Edit. Then after I start typing in Sanskrit, suddenly Devanagari Sangam MN appears on the top of the list of fonts on the top menu bar in Text Edit as the font that I am using.

Thank you!

Thank you for information about Unicode. I had thought there was something wrong with the fonts because they did not show up on the list of fonts, or the characters did not show up.

So MSW for Windows does use the Devanagari and Devanagari QWERTY language system correctly? That is interesting. I might try to run Windows with my Mac, if it becomes necessary. It will depend on whether my publisher will be able to read the Sanskrit characters on the MSW files that I send them.

So running a MacBook Pro with system 10.8.3, my default font for Devanagari keyboard is supposed to be Devanagari MT? It doesn't default to that on Text Edit. It defaults to Devanagari Sangam MN.

If I turn on "Additional Conjuncts" in Text Edit, does that only apply to Text Edit? Which program or programs should I turn them on in order to use them? Once I add the Additional Conjuncts, how can I use them? Is there a keyboard or instructions for them anywhere?

Thank you.

Thank you for your help, Tom.

I tried what you suggested. I disabled Devanagari Sangam MN. However, after I disabled Devanagari Sangam MN, when I used Devanagari QWERTY to type in TextEdit, the letters no longer formatted properly (as they did before I disabled Devanagari Sangam MN), and the font defaulted to "Arial Unicode MS." However, when I highlighted the text and chose Devanagari MT from the font list, then the characters changed and formatted properly. Why would that be?

Then, when I copied and pasted the properly formatted Sanskrit into InDesign, all I got was a series of boxes. Then when I highlighted those boxes and chose Devanagari MT, the characters did not display properly. But when I selected Adobe Devanagari, the characters displayed properly.

This continues to be confusing. Any words of wisdom?

Thank you!

I did disable Arial Unicode, and now that I disabled Devanagari Sangam MN, TextEdit now defaults to Devanagari MT. Thank you for that suggestion.

I noticed that another person had the same problem on the board at https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3548952?start=15&tstart=0

I also disabled Sanskrit 2003 upon your suggestion, and now when I type in MSW, all I get is boxes. But when I highlight those boxes and choose Adobe Devanagari, the Sanskrit then shows, but formatted improperly. But when I copy that badly formatted text in MSW and paste it to InDesign, it formats correctly again. So I will just make a note to my publisher that the weird-looking Sanskrit in MSW will display properly in InDesign.

Thank you for your help, though I am very disappointed with MSW. They need to get with it!