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Faces shows incorrect thumbnails

Having trouble with iPhoto. The Faces part was working properly, but not having these symptoms:

1. When I select Faces, the people shown are not the one showing in the thumbnail in some cases. Opening the picture shows the individual is in the photo, the info tab shows the person is in the photo, but the photo does not show the person.

2. When I select Faces, sometimes the face shown is not the correct face.

It used to be perfect, but now it is not.


I've used all the options within iPhoto under Option & Command start, and have rebuilt it using iPhoto Library Manager.

MacBook Air, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.3)

Posted on May 26, 2013 3:42 PM

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May 26, 2013 4:04 PM in response to Dan Connors

I just shut down iPhoto, then the computer. Then I restarted both. The photos came up, but there are no faces shown (Tab Info, Faces). There is a pinwheel sorta thing next to Faces on the left-hand panel. One cannot select Add a Face from the Faces function. The pinwheel lasts at least 10 minutes. When it goes away, the symptoms above recur.

May 26, 2013 5:27 PM in response to LarryHN

Larry, I'd used ILM to rebuild the library and that library is the one that was really skrewy. I went back to the original and it has far fewer issues. The issue is still around faces, but the ILM rebuild apparently made it worse. So, going back to the original library, the issue is this:

- On some photos, some or all of the faces shown in the right-hand column (Info - Faces) do not show up on the photo. These two approaches seem to fix it:

- If there is any name showing in the photo, it is usually one. Delete it. All of the names will disappear in the Info - Faces panel. Then add them all back in.

- If there is not a name showing, add faces for each name showing in Info-Faces. In this case no new name is shown in Info Faces.

This leads me to the thought that I have a "slightly" screwed up faces database. Very uncomfortable with that.

Jun 15, 2013 7:52 PM in response to Dan Connors

Dan,


I had and still have the same problem. Here is what partially soved it for me.


1. Go through all your photos for one person. Flag any that have a problem.


2. Open Flagged album.


3. For each photo delete all found faces.


4, Select all Flagged photos, then Photos > Detect Missing Photos.


5. Open each photo and assign the correct name to the found Faces.


When the original found faces become corrupt no rebuilting by iPhoto or iPhoto Library Manager will fix the problem. Deleting the corrupt found face boxes, then redetectiing the faces creates uncorrupted data structures.


A major problem is that the data corruptions appears to be associated with the photo and not restricted to the found faces which have obvious issues. If you delete only the incorrect found face boxes but leave those which seem correct, I have observed that applying Detect Missing Photos may result in the originally correct found faces being changed to have something wrong.


Another problem is that if you delete a correct found face box and then applying Detect Missing Photos finds exactly the same box, iPhoto remembers you have deleted it and does not replace it. In my hands this has happened in about a quarter of the photos. At least some of my photos have been repaired.


An observation that may confirm we are seeing similar coruption is the shape of the incorrectly placed found face box. In many cases I have seen a vertical rectangle which is offset from the found face. For different corrupt found faces this rectangle may be in differnt places in the photo, or of a different size, but the height to width proportions seem similar. Do you see found face boxes like this?

Jun 16, 2013 8:31 AM in response to Tom Ritch

Tom,

Thank you. I was not previously aware of the command Detect Missing Photos--I will try out your advice the next time I find a corrupt photo. I have not seen a vertical rectangle like you mention above. What I typically see is a very small square box, often in the lower center of the photo, often with several stacked on top of each other. Yesterday I tripped over a photo which had everyone correctly identified (I had done that earlier) however each face was replicated by a small box slightly below the original box, each with the appropriate name filled in I also had the experience of looking in faces for a specific photo and not finding it. I went to photos and validated that the face was properly tagged, then went back to Faces and it was there (actually, looked like 20-30 photos had disappeared and reappeared.


My fear remains that this indicator of a corrupt database will never be fixed by repairing individual photos and one day the entire database will collapse. While I know I won't lose the photos, I have about 6,000 with date, place, and faces all tagged. Losing that would be catastrophic.


I see in other threads that others directly manipulate the faces database using MySQL. Any thoughts on that?

Jun 24, 2013 10:26 AM in response to Dan Connors

Dan,


Glad to see my suggestion worked for you. Over the last week I have been similarly trying to remove more corrupt data from my library of over 25,000 photos. The corruption I see is as described earlier, plus the small square boxes you describe, plus more:


tiny boxes with essentially no area at the lower left corner of the photo


photos with no found face box yet the Info pane lists names of found faces


large square boxes labled with a correct name but in the wrong locations in the photo


found face boxes appear correct but the thumb is from some other part of the photo


found face boxes appear correct but the thumb is rotated 90 degrees


Probably there are others that I do not remember right now.


As might be expected with this level of incorrectly identified faces, prediction of matching faces has been poor. As I have deleted obvious corruption from the database I have also verified correct predictions and marked incorrect predictions. Predictions are now much better.


This corruption remained after merging three libraries using iPhoto Library Manager, then doing all of iPhotos internal rebuilds several times, then rebuilding the library using iPhoto LIbrary Manager. When I finish removing what corruption I can manually I plan to rebuild everythng once again. Even with all this cleaning I am concerned that I will miss some corrupt data, and the corruption will propagate.


I have not heard of using MySQL on Faces or iPhoto. Directly manipulating internal iPhoito structures sounds like asking for trouble, but we already have lots of trouble with no apparent solution. I will investigate. Thanks for the tip. Have you tried it?


Tom

Jun 26, 2013 3:00 PM in response to Tom Ritch

Here's the thread from Brian:

From Brian:

Thanks for the files, they came through just fine. I took a quick look through the database, and there does appear to be some weird data in there, with a bunch of extra face records many of which have values missing in their fields. I don't know how exactly they ended up that way though.

It does look like all the most recently imported photos don't have these problems, and I tried importing a few additional photos into the library, and the faces for those all appear to show up OK as well. So, as far as I can tell, it doesn't look like the sort of thing that will "spread" to other photos in the library.


From me:

Excellent. So your opinion would be that if I fix the weird ones, the database will be ok? Any chance you have a convenient way to provide a list of the weird ones?


From Brian:

I'm afraid there's not a simple way to list out the photos with the odd face records, but other than the symptoms you described, it doesn't look like it'll do any harm if they're still hanging around.



It looks to me like we can proceed with the repairs as we observe problems on specific photos.

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