6 Replies Latest reply: May 30, 2013 3:40 PM by tclk35
tclk35 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

I am using Aperture 3.4.4.  OSX 10.7.5.  My library is referenced.  I check the links everytime I use the library.  I do so with a Smart Album that has a Rule with the File Status for Missing.  Today, all of sudden there were 3 photos (out of 9,500) showed up as missing in the Smart Album.  Everything was fine the last time I used the library earlier today.  I was very surprised.  I was even more surprised when I opened up the folder that should contain the original photos.  These photos were missing.  But these photos have been in this folder for years.  I certainly did not delete these photos.  Can it be that Aperture deleted them?  Anyone else may have experienced the same problem?  What may be going on here?

   Because I know the file integrity is very important, I often hold down the command and option keys and do a File Repair before I add more photos in the library.  Is this a dangerous procedure?

   Thanks.  Tom


Mac OS X (10.7.5), 4 GB memory, 1TB hard drive
  • léonie Level 9 Level 9 (77,940 points)

    Can you find out when exactly the files vanished by comparing with your backup? If you use Time Machine for backup, you could go back in time and find out the date.

     

     

       Because I know the file integrity is very important, I often hold down the command and option keys and do a File Repair before I add more photos in the library.  Is this a dangerous procedure?

     

    No, that is a routine operation, and also it will not move or remove referenced files, since they are not part of the library.

    Where is your folder with the referenced files located? On an external or an internal drive? How did you last use these images?

     

    Referenced files can sometimes get lost for several reasons:

    • When you acess these files from other applications.
    • When you sync this folder across the network.
    • When you accidentally access the files by including them into a smart search in the Finder, for example the "All Photos" view.
    • When an external editor - used from Aperture - accidentally does a "Save As" instead of "Save" and overwrites existing files.
    • When a cleaner or maintainance aoolication looking for duplicate files cleans the wrong files.
    • When the file system of the drive becomes corrupted after a crash and needs repairing.
    • When the drive has bas blocks or is starting to fail for other reasons.

     

     

    The first thing I'd do, when files start vanishing, would be to create a new backup, but not overwrite your most recent backup.

     

    Have you searched for the files with Spotlight or "Find Any File", if they have been moved?

    And checked the integrity of the File System with Disk Utility? If the refereced files are on your internal drive, you will have boot into Reovery, to use Disk Utility on the drive, OS X: About OS X Recovery

     

    Regards

    Léonie

  • tclk35 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thank you for your note.

        My boot drive is an external 1TB portable drive.  This is because I live in 3 places and I would just bring this small device with me everywhere.  This drive is partitioned with one for system and applications and one for data.  The Aperture library resides in the same folder as my photo originals which are in an adjacent folder, in the Data partition.

        I use Time Machine for backup.  I also backup again into the internal drive of my computers (also 1TB), using SuperDuper! or ChronoSync.  Every year, I also burn my originals onto a CDRom.  Hopefully, I will not lose my original photos.

        I lost the 3 photos yesterday morning from the folder next to the Aperture Library.  Very strange.

        •  I did not access these photos before I found them trashed.

        •  I do not sync across wireless network, except backing up per noted above.

        •  I did not do a smart search in the Finder.  As I said before, I do have a Smart Album within Aperture.

        •  I do not edit photos from Aperture.

        •  I don't do "cleaning".

        •  My system has not crashed for weeks.

        •  My external boot drive seems to behave normally.  How do I tell if it may be starting to fail?  Do you SMARTReporter?

        •  The missing photos have not been moved, except to Trash by I believe Aperture.

        •   I just use Disk Utility to verify my boot drive.  All is OK.

        This incident has shaken my faith in Aperture.  Should I be?  ( The Batch Change under MetaData for Date Created field does not work.  But that is another story.)

        Thanks.  Tom

  • léonie Level 9 Level 9 (77,940 points)

      I use Time Machine for backup.

      I lost the 3 photos yesterday morning from the folder next to the Aperture Library.  Very strange.

    Have you checked in Time Machine, if the originals were really still in this folder day before yesterday? The problem is, that lost originals can go unnoticed for a long, long time, as long as you do not edit the images or try to export the originals.

    I just use Disk Utility to verify my boot drive.  All is OK.

    That is reassuring.

     

        •  My external boot drive seems to behave normally.  How do I tell if it may be starting to fail?  Do you SMARTReporter?

    I occasionally run Apple Hardware Test: OS X Mountain Lion: Use Apple Hardware Test

    If your Mac came with installation disks that may work for your Mac as well.

     

    I hope somebody will come up with more ides. I have never seen Aperture delete original referencd image files on its own.

  • tclk35 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Can Time Machine delete 3 photos when backing up?  I looked into my Time Machine folders.  The 3 photos became missing on the date I resume backing up after a 3 days absence when I was in my other home where there is a different Time Machine harddrive.

       As I said, my Aperture does not respond to changing Date and Time under Batch Change under Metadata.  I wonder if my copy of Aperture is defective.  Do you have the same problem.  Right now, I switch to iPhoto where I can do this without problem.

       Thanks.  Tom

  • léonie Level 9 Level 9 (77,940 points)

    Can Time Machine delete 3 photos when backing up?

    I have never heard of something like that happen, but browse the TM forum, if there is any known issue. TM can only delete files, when you accidentally restore a folder to a version, where the files are missing.

     

    But could you restore the missing originals from your backup?

     

    As I said, my Aperture does not respond to changing Date and Time under Batch Change under Metadata

    Does it not respond at all, or only change the time of some images? If t does not change all file alles, check the "Primary Only" flag in the Edit" menu, if it has been accidentally set.

     

    BTW: Under Metadata I see "Adjust Date and Time" (not under Batch Change) and "Batch Change > Adjust Time zone".

     

    Which of these options are you asking about?

    If you are asking about "Batch Change > Adjust Time zone", that is not working well with some Canon Cameras, but "Metadata >Adjust Date and Time" should work. In what way does it not work? If you select the command, nothing happens? Or is it grayed out?

    In that case I would test, if it only happens in your current user account or in all accounts, before you go for a reinstall. If it only happens in your account, trash Apertures Preferences file.

     

    Regards

    Léonie





     

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  • tclk35 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks for your note.  I doubt TM deleted the 3 photo files either.  It just reflected the absence of these 3 photos.  But I still suspect Aperture deleted these 3 photos.  I know it sounds impossble.  But I will be watching closely and looking at the Smart Album showing missing links photos before I do anything with the library.  Hopefully it won't happen again.

       I don't have time to deal with the adjusting time issue right now.  It was a problem when I was scanning old chemical photos (before year 2000) and needed to corrent the dates.

       Thanks.  Tom