Why does the Manual mention input strips?

re: Input Strips

They're in the manual under "Environment Objects Reference/Channel Strip Objects"

The first line of the explanation states:

"You can only create input channel strip objects in the Environment."

Once in the Environment they're created just like you create any Environment object.

Using the menu "New" selections, under channel strips.

The manual also states.

"Environment Objects Reference

This chapter is designed as a reference to help you learn about the different Environment objects you can use in Logic Pro. You’ll learn about each type of Environment object, what each one is designed to do, and how to use the parameters of the object. Note: If you need information about the general concepts and techniques required to use the Environment, see the chapter, "Working in the Environment"

"Working in the Environment" might be a good chapter to read.

Pancenter's right - I know for a fact that you're an old geezer like me and we've both got this far - sometimes you just have to get your head into it when you've got plenty of time and it seems appealing.

I think I may be able to answer your question, bu I'm not exactly sure myself, I'd have to go and look at the manual - you can see how that works out, can't you, he he...😁

Take care, man.

Ha!

I'm older than both you pups! Well.......... maybe!

Hi

Try here:

http://documentation.apple.com/en/logicpro/usermanual/index.html#chapter=37%26se ction=0

and specifically:

http://documentation.apple.com/en/logicpro/usermanual/index.html#chapter=37%26se ction=25%26hash=apple_ref:doc:uid:TempBookID-ReplacedWhenAssociatingWithMessierR evision-43984ENV2_SC_1002-2073268

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Input Channel Strip

You can only create input channel strip objects in the Environment. In general, you will not need to do so, as all audio hardware inputs are automatically seen by audio channel strips, and can be monitored and recorded.

Input channel strips are primarily included for compatibility with earlier versions of Logic Pro, and for use with certain audio hardware devices. The input channel strip allows you to directly route and control signals from your audio hardware’s inputs. Once an input channel strip is assigned to an audio channel strip, it can be monitored and recorded directly into Logic Pro, along with its effect plug-ins.

The signal is processed, inclusive of plug-ins even while Logic Pro is not playing. In other words, input channel strips can behave just like external hardware processors. Aux sends can be used pre- or post-fader.

Input channel strips can be used as live inputs that can stream audio signals from external sources (such as MIDI synthesizers and sound modules) into a stereo mix (by bouncing an output channel strip).

Note: An alternative to using input channel strips in this way is the use of the I/O plug-in; you can also click the Input Monitoring button on an audio channel strip and choose the input(s) you want to monitor or record via the Input slot."

I have added 'bold' text to highlight what Input Strips can do. The crucial bit would be that, if you use them, any Insert effects are "printed" (applied to the signal destructively) when you record any audio through Input Strips. Normally, any Insert processing is done on "the way out" ie non-destructively.

CCT

CCT beat me to it...

I was going to say... go here to search:

http://documentation.apple.com/en/logicpro/

Better to search through the actual manuals, I don't even know what evernote.com has to do with Logic... nor do I trust it, always better to go directly to the source.

Hi

55plus wrote:

The input strip is also not mentioned in Anker and Merton.

Sadly, not everything can be covered in any book. As pointed out, Input Strips are primarily there for "backwards compatibility", though they can still have their uses.

55plus wrote:

But Jay Asher does descibe them on page 18 of his book " Going Pro with Logic Pro",with a cavaet "The LP Manual says, " Additional channel strip types, such as busses and inputs, can also be shown ( in the mixer), but their inclusion is primarily for compatability with Projects created in earlier Logic Pro versions." I say, " Not so fast!" so Jay smells a rat too. But does go on, he is descibing what he imagines his "normal" readers would want to do IMHO. And goes on to show setting up for a rock group with a singer who for some reason wants to hear herself.

The usage described seems to be one of "print the FX to the in-coming signals". Whilst this may be of use, and it also allows for "Live Input Monitoring" (which can now be done directly using the "Input Monitoring" button on an Audio channel), it will actually record the audio including the Insert fx, rather than applying them on Playback (ie the audio is normally recorded 'clean' minus FX).

55plus wrote:

Is my wish to record/playback the audio output of a score VSTi MIDI Track that I am controlling with a breath controller unrealistic?

Certainly not, and, depending on your intentions, perfectly possible. I think you mean " use a Software Instrument that responds to a MIDI Breath Controller"? Assuming that the Instrument itself responds to the appropriate MIDI messages, all you should need to do would be to record (or manually enter via HyperDraw, HyperEdit etc) the BC MIDI data. I do this "all the time".

I cannot see how an Input Channel (audio) would help with your objective.

CCT

55plus wrote:

Is my wish to record/playback the audio output of a score VSTi MIDI Track that I am controlling with a breath controller unrealistic? I fear the problem is with the playback part of that sentence

I'm not exactly sure what your saying except that you're using a breath controller playing a virtual instrument but the sound you're getting on playback of the track is nowhere close to the performance and the way you heard it when playing it.

Is that close to right?

If so here's two things that may help.

1. Go to Settings/Recording Under the MIDI heading. Deselect "MIDI Data Reduction"

Breath controllers spew a lot of data if that data is reduced your performance will not sound right.

2. When recording the breath controlled MIDI performance you do not want any type of quantization. On the Instrument track you're recording, at the top of the Inspector turn Quantize to Off (3840)

p.s. got ya beat by a couple of years.

Hi

55plus wrote:

itis just the simple[sic] routing of the software instruments' track output to another channel strip that is holding me back.

If all you want to achieve is an audio recording of the "final" Instrument output, you could "bounce in place", solo that track then "Bounce" and add the resulting audio, or use the silightly more complicated method of routing the Instrument Channel output to a bus, make an audio channel with that bus as Input, then simply record.

The "I" button is there to enable monitoring of an Input source without the need to record-enable the audio track.

55plus wrote:

When I click on the audio tracks' Input monitoring button the button disappears, and I still must mute the software instr. track while in playback or record because I don't want the sound of the sequencer added to mine,but this also mutes the whole track

I'm not sure what you mean by this, or what you are trying to achieve.

55plus wrote:

but this also mutes the whole track which worked in Express 7 and 8, is it just that Pro won't allow things that express does?

There are/were differences between Logic 7 and Logic 8/9, and (if I recall correctly) Express 7 had a significantly reduced capability compared to Pro 7. You are probably (a guess) expecting the behaviour that would be with Preferences:Audio:General Track Mute/Solo Slow in Logic 8/9?

With Logic 8 & 9 there are only minor differences between Pro and Express (they are essentially the same).

CCT

You can record your live performance as an audio track by:

1. In Preferences/Audio/Devices, turn software monitoring off.

2. On your virtual instrument channel strip set the output to an unused bus let's say #3 (instead of stereo out)

3. On your audio recording channel strip set the Input to the same unused bus, #3.

Drop the volume fader all the way down.

4. On the Arrange page record enable both the Audio record track and the virtual instrument track.

5. In the environment Bus #3 fader will adjust the record volume.

You should now be able to play your wind/virtual instrument and record the performance as an audio file.

Hi

Pancenter wrote:

You can record your live performance as an audio track by:

Ahhh... I see where the OP is headed now... ;-)

CCT

CCTM wrote:

Hi

Pancenter wrote:

You can record your live performance as an audio track by:

Ahhh... I see where the OP is headed now... ;-)

CCT

It was the Churchill quote that threw me.