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  • 120. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Ziatron Level 4 Level 4 (3,265 points)

    Personally, I would have rather seen the same old silver monster tower, with both eSATA and USB 3.0 on front and back, Thunderbolt 2 and FIrewire 800 ports on back, and keep the current 2 optical bays and 4 hard-drive bays (although they could probably make that 8 internal bays without much problem), along with the PCIe card slots.

     

    I nominate you for Apple CEO.  Or at least executive vice president in charge of strategic long-range planning.

  • 121. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Ziatron Level 4 Level 4 (3,265 points)

    Actually, it's cylindrical too. Called "Nomad". Will sterilize the competition.

     

     

    Star Trek (TOS)   "The Changeling"

  • 122. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Ziatron Level 4 Level 4 (3,265 points)

    My main concern is the $$$ and amount of space one will need to get a full system up and working.. It looks like your going to have a rat's nest of wires.. And the unit turns to expose the ports.. So now I'm going to have an extra foot of wiring coiled at the back of the machine..

     

    When I look at the various devices that I have neatly installed on the inside of our many Mac Pros, I see a jumbled, tangled, mess on my desktop with a black Cylindrical Mac somewhere in a mess of wires.

     

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRRDJQb4JBw

  • 123. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Leslie Bell Level 2 Level 2 (340 points)

     

  • 124. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Leslie Bell Level 2 Level 2 (340 points)

    I have NINE external drives as well as the 4 in my tower. My desk's ALREADY a mess.

     

    A smaller cylinder and its mess won't make it any less attractive.

     

    But they do need to work on getting it to hover and follow me around the house....

  • 125. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Rick Lang Level 4 Level 4 (1,230 points)

    Leslie, did you mean to say "Hoover" as in vacuum your house?  Maybe that's an option!  Mount a bag over the top to collect the debris...

  • 126. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Martin Pace Level 5 Level 5 (5,090 points)

    I've got 19 drives in 5 external enclosures.

     

    I think many professionals already have rat's nest like us. Add in my two printers, print server, ethernet switch, two UPSs, two monitors and an external 5.1 speaker system I just don't see how I couldn't have a rat's nest.

  • 127. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Leslie Bell Level 2 Level 2 (340 points)

    "Leslie, did you mean to say "Hoover" as in vacuum your house?  Maybe that's an option!  Mount a bag over the top to collect the debris..."

     

    Unluckily for you, the new Mac Pro "Nomad" doesn't understand human attempts at humor and just sees them as "error" and that's a problem.

     

    As for me, it's Dyson Cyclone all the way. Hoover was even a lousy President.

  • 128. Re: The new Mac Pro
    zachi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    it is simple...

    if you look at various pc/win systems and see the performance possibilities

    and then compare the apple/macos world to that performances :

    you might have got to 80-90% at 2009 with the old mac pros.

    in 2014 with the new mac "pro" we maybe get 50-70%

     

    machines are faster nowadays and this performance is enough for a lot of users.

     

    for those whose work needs performance on the top end, for a long time

    it was possible to accept a little less performance to stay on macos.

    with the aging of the mac pro line it got harder and harder...

    and now we get this new "pro" which is no solution to this performance gap.

     

    no dual cpu, closed system with nonstandard gpu, multiple gpus impossible....

    whatever apple tells with their marketing, this is not a pro workstation !

    it is a puppy compared to what will be possible workstation wise on pc by fall.

     

    and dont tell me about the expansion concept... this is just marketing again.

    u cant attach a second cpu. attaching gpus is very unsure, and if it will be

    possible, it will cost a lot. there is nothing wrong with a tower having internal

    PCIe and SATA slots. just maybe less profit for apple.

     

    face it ... naming the new machine "mac pro" is a bit of a disguise...

    it is a shift away from pro workstations, towards consumers.

    just look at it, it tells everything.

  • 129. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (49,285 points)

    if you look at various pc/win systems and see the performance possibilities ... and then compare the apple/macos world to that performances

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    accept a little less performance to stay on macos

     

    Compared to WHAT?

    Where are you getting that data from?

     

     

    no dual cpu

    The dual chip setup is the most wasteful thing you can do -- eating up nearly 30 percent of your processing power coordinating the two Chips. You want processing cores, not multiple chips, and the new design gives you up to 12 with NO dual-chip overhead.

     

    multiple gpus impossible

    Two are included. That is all you can put in the old design without adding a separate Power supply.

  • 130. Re: The new Mac Pro
    The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (58,885 points)

    Even with the old design you could not use two full power (2 x 8-pin and 2 x 6-pin for instance, or even 4 x 6-pin) power cables.

     

    One 'standard' FirePro 9000 uses a max power of 274W which would slightly exceed the 75W + 2 x 6-pin, and here we have two such or ~550W.

     

    One of the old 12-core processors was of course nothing close to 274W so the entire power environment is going up, not down.

     

    Maybe a 1200W or higher PSU?  will be taking up some of that cylinder. I don't think they would stay within the general 1kw efficiency but had to beef it up - guessing.

     

    As for "Windows drivers are often a notch above" that may be true. Or that it took a year for a GTX 680 to arrive for the Mac platform (or arrived at all!)

  • 131. Re: The new Mac Pro
    zachi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

     

    The dual chip setup is the most wasteful thing you can do -- eating up nearly 30 percent of your processing power coordinating the two Chips. You want processing cores, not multiple chips, and the new design gives you up to 12 with NO dual-chip overhead.

     

    u obviously dont know what u r talking of.

    if you use software like vray or octane, a second core and an nvidia gpu saves you a shitload of worktime. worktime u can use on another project, which means getting a doubled salary in the same work time.

    Two (GPUs) are included. That is all you can put in the old design without adding a separate Power supply.

    this is an amd gpu which is not really supported by any gpu renderer.

    it is non standard, not replacable by the user. crap!

     

    i bet the most performance intensive task u ever did was to blur or sharpen a picture in photoshop. for you this machine is fine. i guess even an imac would do. for me it is just too inefficient.

  • 132. Re: The new Mac Pro
    The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (58,885 points)

    I learned from some EVGA SR-2 users into some video work that the 2nd cpu (also SR2 uses Xeon) was only adding about 70%. Some Mac apps are worse or couldn't give a farthing about more than 6 cores presently.

     

    There are always a few exceptions.

     

    Intel though has had to beef up L3, the Quick Path, smarter snooping and prediction for the old "where do I need the data so I can send memory to the right core/processor" and has been working on a fatter pipleline and other optimizations to solve those problems. It is not linear. It does add and scale but diminishing returns.

     

    I suspect it would have needed a 20" cylinder :-)

  • 133. Re: The new Mac Pro
    Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (49,285 points)

    When you are using Graphics processing power in an NVIDIA CUDA Chip, the number and type of Central Processing Units (CPU) does not matter very much. But as to where the future of these is going, I would be much more willing to bet on THIS as the trend:

     

     

    Premiere Pro CC supports GPU acceleration on both AMD and NVIDIA hardware on both Mac and Windows.

    --from: http://blogs.adobe.com/premierepro/2013/06/adobe-premiere-pro-cc-and-gpu-support .html

     

     

    Apple likes to support standard Interfaces such as Open CL, and let the market decide what actual hardware to use to get there. At the moment, NVIDIA has left Apple holding the bag on dead NVIDIA graphics chips in notebook computers, batches of chips that do not perform to spec and have to be swapped out in the MacBook Pro 6, 2 from 2010, and most recently the failure of multiple NVIDIA GPUs to work in 10.8.3 and later on the Mac Pro.

     

    NVIDIA has not been cooperative in producing Drivers or Driver Updates for their chips that work in current Macs in a timely or predicatble fashion. They do not seem to be a reliable development partner.

     

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    [GPU] it is non standard, not replaceable by the user

    Apple has not said publicly whether the GPU cards are replaceable. But the design is straightforward: it appears to plug directly into a PCIe 3-equivalent slot on one side, outputs over ThunderBolt, and the Big Chips dump their waste heat through a huge Heatsink mating surface on the back of the card instead of a fan module. This may be the next form factor for replaceable GPU cards.

  • 134. Re: The new Mac Pro
    zachi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    ah god... grant, you are an apple believer !

     

    with the existing pro line there was a single cpu model. the cheapest one.

    its for people who use adobe products and nothing more.

     

    other people use specialized software which makes use oft the cores.

    they are left out now. no more mac for them.

     

    even if you dont believe it, i made use of all my cores. they were worth every penny.

    now i cant use them because apple doesnt give me a choice anymore.

    the new mac "pro" is just for the people with medium performance needs.

     

    and no the gpu is not standard, and i bet my *** that apple doesnt give us choices.

    even if there is a choice all hast to be bought with an extra surplus from apple.

    i have a standard pc nvidia gtx 580 3gb in my mac pro, powered by an additional psu.

    such things aren't working anymore with the cylinder.

    reduce options, make it simple, make it for consumers. that is the way it is going.

     

    edit: new formfactor?

    do you really think the whole pc industry will copy apples new gpu formfactor now?

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