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  • The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (60,580 points)

    and you know that the 570 was better at cuda than the 680. Or that apple "made" you go the 450W added psu too, which I found to be unacceptable that they were not interested in graphic cards of that magnitude.

     

    The $599 of the EVGA GTX for Mac - would wonder what the size of the market is.

     

    Microsoft has actually had the best I heard of compiler for handing and better tool with less of the hand and manual labor of coding for OpenCL and CUDA than others. But you know some won't touch it with a 10 ft pole.

     

    Nvidia drivers are capable of much better. Not sure what goes on with chip design and manufacturing or yields. Heck even Intel has had to allow longer these last two years on some projects. AMD has its critics and detractors on Mac and gotten burned on... 4870, 2600, 1900, been through 2-3 5770s... pretty much every unit?

     

    The right tool for the job may not be OS X, it may be linux in some cases if the graphic drivers are there too.

     

    It is only recently that a Mac could use more than 2GB VRAM of all things. That seems to have changed, even if slightly with more now being possible.

     

    GPGPU for Fortran and other compilers is something I wish I had 30-40 yrs ago! could have used it.

     

    I hope we are all shocked at what reality is versus our speculations. Some moved to HP or Dell workstations already to have 192GB RAM supported. Some to use Tesla. Amax would be your choice?

     

    http://www.amax.com/hpc/gpuworkstations.asp

     

    http://www.nvidia.com/object/personal-supercomputing.html

  • Marsdy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    if you look at various pc/win systems and see the performance possibilities ... and then compare the apple/macos world to that performances

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    accept a little less performance to stay on macos

     

    Compared to WHAT?

    Where are you getting that data from?

     

    For pro audio use, the PC/Windows OS is undoubtedly a superior platform/operating system. Here's the data in black and white.

     

    http://www.dawbench.com/index.html

     

    It's suprisingly conclusive especially at low latencies and signfiicantly more than "a little less performance," especially for a Pro Tools user like myself.

     

    I was delighted to discover this since Apple has forced me into the clutches of Windows having made the new Mac Pro so manifestly unsuitable for pro audio use. This after 17 years of loyalty to the Mac platform.

     

    There are a 100,000 Pro Tools TDM systems in use worldwide. All of them are dependent on at least one full length PCI/PCIe card and very often two or three, (even more with external expansion.) Most of those systems are Mac based. I suspect that is about to change.

  • Leslie Bell Level 2 Level 2 (340 points)

    What the heck is Pro Tools?

     

    Oh wait, I remember, that 80's era DAW with the garish cartoonish color interface. That was limited in tracks and needed expensive outboard harware on top of looking silly. The one they eventually had to give away.

     

    The DAW you can blame the horrific "quality" of 99.9% of pop music in the last 20 years because every color-blind idiot in the biz went with it because the accountants with PC's and windoze told them to. Because everyone just knows instictively that what the record company suits want is always the best thing for all involved.

     

    Latency? If you don't know how to deal with latency by now, you need to be in another line of work or find another hobby.

  • Marsdy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    What the heck is Pro Tools?

     

    Oh wait, I remember, that 80's era DAW with the garish cartoonish color interface. That was limited in tracks and needed expensive outboard harware on top of looking silly. The one they eventually had to give away.

     

    The DAW you can blame the horrific "quality" of 99.9% of pop music in the last 20 years because every color-blind idiot in the biz went with it because the accountants with PC's and windoze told them to. Because everyone just knows instictively that what the record company suits want is always the best thing for all involved.

     

    Latency? If you don't know how to deal with latency by now, you need to be in another line of work or find another hobby.

     

     

    Please spare us the passive aggressive  ignorance.  Some of us have a more pragmatic, practical and professional approach which means getting the job done with the right tools. For many of us audio professionals the new Mac Pro is NOT that tool. I do not need or wish to pay for support for three 4K displays for example.

     

    Pro Tools is THE industry standard DAW period. Just about every film, TV show, game, CD in EVERY genre in the last ten years has been produced with Pro Tools. FACT.... You won't find Logic or Cubase on a Hollywood scoring or dubbing stage...

     

    I don't need to concern myself with latency bercause I use Pro Tools HD. There is effectively NO latency. I also don't need a troll on the internet telling me what line of work to be in. I leave that to my clients such as Sony, Disney, Warner Bros, the BBC etc.

  • Leslie Bell Level 2 Level 2 (340 points)


    Marsdy wrote:

     

    FACT.... You won't find Logic or Cubase on a Hollywood scoring or dubbing stage...

     

    I don't need to concern myself with latency bercause I use Pro Tools HD. There is effectively NO latency. I also don't need a troll on the internet telling me what line of work to be in. I leave that to my clients such as Sony, Disney, Warner Bros, the BBC etc.

     

    You know, you wouldn't need to lie (or all right, overstate your case) if you really worked for those companies.

     

    But you could indeed work for them after all... perhaps working with suits so much has had a drastic effect on your veracity.

     

    You can't strike a nerve so obviously without there being inferiority about the product in the first place.

     

    So much for trolls.

  • BitterCreek Level 1 Level 1 (100 points)

    Marsdy wrote:

    Pro Tools is THE industry standard DAW period. Just about every film, TV show, game, CD in EVERY genre in the last ten years has been produced with Pro Tools. FACT..

     

    That is the problem.

  • Leslie Bell Level 2 Level 2 (340 points)

    Hey! We ALL know that the very best music is made by people who slavishly follow the "leader".... 

  • Marsdy Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Marsdy wrote:

    Pro Tools is THE industry standard DAW period. Just about every film, TV show, game, CD in EVERY genre in the last ten years has been produced with Pro Tools. FACT..

     

    That is the problem.

     

    Why is it problem? Industry standards become so for a reason. There is no viable alternative. (That said, I'd be the first to admit Avid has some major hurdles to overcome.)

     

    The REAL problem is audio professionals no longer have a Mac Pro they can plug their PCIe cards into without using an expensive and VERY noisy TB expansion chassis AND drive array. MOTU, RME, and Avid users have all have been left high and dry by the new Mac Pro.

     

    TB is unproven technology in the long term which is FAR from achieveing widespread adoption. This is EXACTLY what a working professional does NOT want. And I would imagine there are many graphics/3D/video professionals who would rather use THEIR choice of graphics/video solution rather than Apple make that decision for them. The beauty of the previous Mac Pro was that ANY user could configure it to THEIR requirments. The problem with the NEW Mac Pro is that out of the box it is a closed system with much functionaity imposed on the end user such as 3x display 4K support which for the audio  professional is largely as expensive as it is redundant.

     

    Selective quote responses from the ignorant zealot do not warrant a response.

  • Leslie Bell Level 2 Level 2 (340 points)

    "Selective quote responses from the ignorant zealot do not warrant a response."

     

    Bullseye!

  • Bill Butler Level 2 Level 2 (180 points)

    I have followed this discussion and put in my two cents. Here's my 25-cents. As a Macintosh user since 1984 I can tell you this:

     

    1. Any argument revolving around the Mac and PC is moot to my mind, because the OSX beats, has beaten, and will continue to beat for the foreseable future anything Microsoft offers in it latest Win operating system. I've been on both systems. The Mac OS since 10.0.0 and arguably before has been more stable than its contemprary counterpart. Since 10.5 it's rocked. 10.6.8 rules in my world.

     

    2. I buy a Macintosh for the long game, and Apple likes consumers like me because I'll actually but their other stuff. Unlike most buyers, though, I'm in the long game. The computer I buy must last 10 years, which means in today's environment I must be able to expand its original capabilities. My current Mac Pro 1,1 is ten years ol; it is the fourth (main) computer I've owned from Apple. I've bought a lot more laptops and other Macs, but the Mac Pro on my desk succeeds the Cube, the MacPlus, and the original 128K ... all of which were maxed beyond all recognition, esp the Cube.

     

    3. IF, and that's a big "if," this current Mac Pro turns out that it can be upgraded past 5-10 years of technological achievements, then I'd be willing to buy it. If it's a locked hardware, then no. Now way would I ever put an iMac on my desk back in the day, and no way will I do the new MP if I can't swap out the CPU, GPU, storage drive, etc., when the day comes -- AND IT WILL -- when years later the rest of you are tossing your Darth Pros for the latest quantum computer.

     

    4. I have CDs and DVDs. I have vinyl, even. While I don't expect or want Apple to build a turntable into the MacPro, I do expect them to give me a physical drive. Because if they don't, just shut up. What? I'm going to write stuff to a thumb and turn the new MP around with it's cables to insert? No. I'm going to upgrade to a legacy, albeit turbocharged, Mac Pro that all you fools are dumping for pennies on the dollar. By the time I actually upgrade, data will be transmitted in photons. You will be stuck with Darth. I will skip Darth.

     

    Darth doesn't play rock 'n' roll.

  • zachi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    dear bill,

     

    i agree on 1) but you obviously dont do your work on your mac. of maybe you are a writer or somebody who doesnt need compute power. otherwise you wouldnt work on a 10 year old system.

     

    problem is if you upgrade your system every 2-3 years, to keep up with your competition, then you need a choice.

    the new mac pros dont give a choice. stuck with one cpu, custom apple gpu/closed sytem.

    so what can u do if you need performance... turn to the dark force? ironically forced by the darth mac

  • l_elephant Level 2 Level 2 (375 points)

    one thing those concerned with noise associated with multiple pieces of equipement, as well as cable clutter, might consider are the 10, 20 and 30m TB cables.

     

    put the monitor(s), keyboard and input device on the desk and everything else in another room, or any combination.

  • The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (60,580 points)

    Better graphic support coming to join OpenGL 4.x standards:

     

    Apple Adds OpenGL 4 Support in OS X 10.9 Mavericks!

    Category: GeneralDevelopersApplicationsComments Permalink

    Jun 14, 2013

    Developers for Apple OS X have been asking for an upgrade from OpenGL 3.x (with GLSL version limitations) to OpenGL 4.x and the powerful core features it exposes like tessellation. With the announcement of OS X Mavericks Apple has added support for OpenGL 4.1 core profile to their operating system.

    http://www.opengl.org/

    GpuTest 0.4.0 Overview

    GpuTest is a 64-bit cross-platform OpenGL benchmarking utility for Windows, Mac OS X and Linux. GpuTest comes with several OpenGL tests including FurMark (OpenGL 3.2), TessMark (OpenGL 4.0) as well as new ones like GiMark (geometry instancing) or PixMark (heavy pixel shaders).

    http://www.geeks3d.com/gputest/download/

    OpenGL 4.2 for Nvidia has existed on Windows since Aug 2011

    OpenGL 4.1 came out in Jan 2011 and AMD began supporting it in same Aug 2011 time frame

    http://www.amd.com/us/press-releases/Pages/open-gl-support-2011jan23.aspx

     

    OpenGL 4.1 standard in January, which improved OpenCL interoperability and added a host of new shader and rendering features. This week’s announcement of OpenGL 4.2 marks the seventh update to the standard in just three years.

     

     


  • Martin Pace Level 5 Level 5 (5,110 points)

    Copper Thunderbolt cables have a 3 meter limit (and they currently cost about $90), so without active repeaters and cash you are not going to go very far.

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