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  • Martin Pace Level 5 Level 5 (5,075 points)
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    Jul 7, 2013 9:50 AM (in response to Don.Mac.iPhone4)

    Don.Mac.iPhone4 wrote:

     

    What advantage do some of you think having the 2nd CPU is going to give you?

    Even with the "overhead" of managing a 2nd CPU the user could still get more processing done with dual 12-core CPUs (i.e. 24 cores) than one 12-core CPU. Dual 12-core CPUs would still be about 70% faster than a single 12-core CPU when doing some tasks. That's the advantage. Of course if the user was really wanting to get things done quickly they would use a render farm.

  • Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (48,095 points)
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    Jul 7, 2013 10:01 AM (in response to Martin Pace)

    Martin Pace-

     

     

    Even with the "overhead" of managing a 2nd CPU the user could still get more processing done with dual 12-core CPUs (i.e. 24 cores) than one 12-core CPU.

    What are you willing to pay for that privilege? In the current Mac Pro line, a simple one-chip solution (four CPU) comes in a shade under US$2500, an "almost same speed" 12-CPU on two chips comes in at double that price, and loses about 30 percent of its nominal speed to two-chip coordination issues.

     

    At those prices, it may be superior to have two complete Mac Pros.

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  • Don.Mac.iPhone4 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jul 7, 2013 10:02 AM (in response to Martin Pace)

    All that is true.... 

    But the new MacPro (at least the one Apple previewed) only has a single CPU.

     

    Apple may have a dual-CPU chassis waiting in the wings....  Who knows.... They never let any info out before it happens.... More press that way I guess.

     

    But when you compare (and please, no pun intended... sorta) apples (1 cpu/12 core) to apples (2 cpu/12 core), the single CPU is going to win.

     

    All the discussions on here regarding a 2nd CPU is not disputing than a 2 CPU machine will be faster than a single CPU machine .. assuming that you are not referring to 2 CPU (6 cores) to 1 CPU (12 cores).

  • zachi Calculating status...
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    Jul 7, 2013 11:29 AM (in response to Leslie Bell)

    zachi wrote:

     

    otherwise if you work in the 3d visual or movie/video business you can cut your calculating tasks by half with a dual cpu machine. this is why i and others are so disapointed about the new mac "pro". these tasks can take hours, or weeks... so $1000 more for a computer does not matter if your work time is cut down to 50%.

     

    sorry this "how many threads do i use" discussion is a bit useless.

     

    You know, just because you keep saying something doesn't make it true. Far wiser heads than BOTH of us have already told you your statements are incorrect, and that the new Mac Pro will, indeed, be faster when the entire package is considered.

     

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    @Leslie Bell

    i would like to know what is not true. if u r talking of the overhead theory, then you have been proven wrong. and even if the calucation time cut down is only 40% a dual cpu system is still way faster than a single cpu system for the software i use.

     

    @Don.Mac.iPhone4

    you are comparing a dual cpu system from 2010 with a single cpu system from 2013? how fair you are. maybe you should compare the mac "pro" 12core single cpu mac "pro" to a dual 12core windows system at the end of 2013. then you'll see what is a fast computer.

  • zachi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jul 7, 2013 11:33 AM (in response to Grant Bennet-Alder)

    Even with the "overhead" of managing a 2nd CPU the user could still get more processing done with dual 12-core CPUs (i.e. 24 cores) than one 12-core CPU.

    What are you willing to pay for that privilege? In the current Mac Pro line, a simple one-chip solution (four CPU) comes in a shade under US$2500, an "almost same speed" 12-CPU on two chips comes in at double that price, and loses about 30 percent of its nominal speed to two-chip coordination issues.

     

    At those prices, it may be superior to have two complete Mac Pros.

    nonsens.. but it makes no sense to argue with you. you obviously dont question anything apple does and believe all marketing talk they tell you.

  • Allan Eckert Level 8 Level 8 (39,305 points)
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    Jul 7, 2013 11:55 AM (in response to zachi)

    And it is equally obvious that you don’t believe anything Apple says.

     

    My feeling right now is that Apple has not said enough. I plan to wait until they say more before I do anything at all.

     

    Allan

  • zachi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jul 7, 2013 12:05 PM (in response to Allan Eckert)

    Allan Eckert wrote:

     

    And it is equally obvious that you don’t believe anything Apple says.

    its a single cpu system.

    single = slower than dual.

    people that think this is wrong i really cant help.

    there is a reason why there exist dual systems, you know.

  • GSVNotInventedHere Calculating status...
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    Jul 7, 2013 12:13 PM (in response to FatMac\>MacPro)

    I may be wrong, but are not the CPU and GPU seats the nMP use standard issue as of late 2013. If so, then has Apple built a system, with its unified cooling core, made a machine where you just upgrade the latest processors from Intel and AMD instead of all the 3rd party paraphenalia of traditional PCIe swop out cards and upgraded heat synchs for future CPU's?

    Remember AVID used to be built around physical 12" wide swappable boards and is now mostly software based.

    Physical 'data space' is getting too big to be able to be contained in a single box and with fibre channel support is as fast as 'on board' anyway. So you only need the data space on board to hold the application and cache...in flash storage if it can be.

    That's how I see the TurboJet nMP.

    NIH

  • Allan Eckert Level 8 Level 8 (39,305 points)
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    Jul 7, 2013 12:17 PM (in response to zachi)

    No matter how many times you repeat a fallacy it never becomes true.

     

    Allan

  • GSVNotInventedHere Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jul 7, 2013 12:18 PM (in response to FatMac\>MacPro)

    And another thing...you can fit 4 of these nMP's in the same flight case as a Standard MP and the shock cushioning is rounded....a much better shock absorbant formation.

    These things will revolutionise touring productions for music, light and AV events.

    NIH

  • zachi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jul 7, 2013 12:23 PM (in response to GSVNotInventedHere)

    GSVNotInventedHere wrote:

     

    I may be wrong, but are not the CPU and GPU seats the nMP use standard issue as of late 2013. If so, then has Apple built a system, with its unified cooling core, made a machine where you just upgrade the latest processors from Intel and AMD instead of all the 3rd party paraphenalia of traditional PCIe swop out cards and upgraded heat synchs for future CPU's?

    no. the gpu is a custom solution to fit into the case. you'll be never able to replace it unless apple updates it somewhen. the cpu is maybe upgradeable with a faster model of the same geration, but will the thermal system still work then? its an all-in-one machine, replacements by the user are not the goal. certainly not with standard parts cheaper than apples versions.

  • zachi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jul 7, 2013 12:25 PM (in response to Allan Eckert)

    Allan Eckert wrote:

     

    No matter how many times you repeat a fallacy it never becomes true.

     

    Allan

    as many times uncompetent comments make it neccessery

     

    will you openly repeat here that a single cpu system is faster than a dual system ?

    (with the same xeon generation/model)

  • Allan Eckert Level 8 Level 8 (39,305 points)
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    Jul 7, 2013 12:28 PM (in response to zachi)

    Thank you, troll

     

    Why must I. Apple has already stated in the keynote if you were listening.

     

    Allan

  • Grant Bennet-Alder Level 8 Level 8 (48,095 points)
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    Jul 7, 2013 12:28 PM (in response to zachi)

    single = slower than dual.

    You could get everyone to agree if you would say MORE CPUs is faster than FEWER CPUs.

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  • zachi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
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    Jul 7, 2013 12:29 PM (in response to Allan Eckert)

    Allan Eckert wrote:

     

    Thank you, troll

    obviously its not possible to criticize apple in this forum.

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