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  • Leslie Bell Level 2 Level 2 (340 points)

    Regular cleaning of the tower is needed too, and it's a real PITA taking the cover off to do it, and you have many more places and fans to clean.

     

    The new MP is going to be a ton simpler to clean, much more accessible, and a disgusting mess on the desk if you don't clean it (like the old "desklamp" iMacs), so people will be much more likely to actually do it.

     

    Your MP won't become obsolete with this new one either; you'll want to have both eventually.

     

    As far as the GPU cards, software manufacturers are already stepping up to the plate to make sure all three of your concerns are met, not just equally, but surpass the competition, as they know this thing is going to sell to make up for the last lost three years of no real development. Apple desperately needed this to bring pros back home and I think it will work. Not for all, but hopefully for most.

     

    Not for nothing did Apple finallly wisely release details about this beast before its release.

  • The hatter Level 9 Level 9 (60,520 points)

    I thought - and assume - and there can be BTO options on SSDs just like there are now for other models - 250-500+ and I assume there will be or was in demo a rather large 900GB SSD unit.

     

    There are OWC PCIe SSDs now and you have to use two SSDs to get 1GB/sec, a pair of 500s.

     

    Max out at 1.8GB/sec with stripe 4 x SSD over two PCIe controllers.

     

    MPG has been busy 'thinking out loud' on all the same concerns as you and others too:

    http://macperformanceguide.com/

  • Grant Bennet-Alder Level 9 Level 9 (52,230 points)

    The newly-announced Mac Pro uses a different breed of graphics cards that put the display output data onto one of the internal ThunderBolt Busses, and rely on the huge internal heatsink instead of their own heatsink and fans.

     

    So no, it will not use PCIe graphics cards. But as you observe, graphics cards makers should be ready by release time with cards in that form factor.

     

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    What made me cringe was seeing the PCIe SSD card sitting on a connector on one of the two graphics cards, and a connector-space with no connector sitting on the other card. That is really odd for a prototype. If that detail stays, it may mean the two otherwise-identical graphics cards are not swappable, which is a troubleshooting AND logistical nightmare, as Vendors would have to stock BOTH kinds of cards and they cannot be swapped.

  • zachi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    As far as the GPU cards, software manufacturers are already stepping up to the plate to make sure all three of your concerns are met, not just equally, but surpass the competition, as they know this thing is going to sell to make up for the last lost three years of no real development. Apple desperately needed this to bring pros back home and I think it will work. Not for all, but hopefully for most.

     

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    forget it... this mac "pro" does use a specially for apple manufactured gpu ... surely neither ati nor nvidia will ever release newer cards for this computer on their own. this is not a not new standard! its only mac "pro" and certainly no market for those companies. in best case apple has a contract that they will release an update together with ati in 2016 or so.

     

    face it... even if apple trys to turn it the other way round...

    this computer is a huge! step backwards in sense of expansion possibiliy for the user.

    till now we could buy our own internal expansions. drives, even standard pc gfx cards worked out of the box.

     

    the new world is...

    expensive tb cases, cable cluttering, and being helplessly stuck with apples (unknown) will concerning gfx cards... the later making this mac (and so apple computers plus macos in gerneral) unusable for some kinds of work.

     

    for me this means probably:

    welcome to the pc world, thanks to apple. never thought that, and i really hate it

  • Leslie Bell Level 2 Level 2 (340 points)

    forget it... this mac "pro" does use a specially for apple manufactured gpu ...

    surely neither ati nor nvidia will ever release newer cards for this computer on their own.

    this is not a not new standard! its only mac "pro" and certainly no market for those companies.

     

    Not true. Even Adobe will find a workaround for CUDA. Hardware limitations will be met and surpassed by SOFTWARE, as I said.

     

    face it... even if apple trys to turn it the other way round...

    this computer is a huge! step backwards in sense of expansion possibiliy for the user.

    till now we could buy our own internal expansions. drives, standard pc gfx cards worked out of the box.

     

    We still can. On our old towers, networked to this.

     

    welcome to the pc world... thanks to apple. never thought that.

     

    Bye! For every one of you there will be at least five returning. And many more first timers.

     

    I'm just glad they finally gave me and plenty of others a reason to stay and for holding on this long.

  • zachi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    dear leslie...

     

    i dont say it is a bad computer.

    its an option for many people who like a computer which is faster than the imac.

    but if you work in 3d rendering apple kicked you out of the system!

     

    in terms what is possible technically and speedwise for 3d rendering the gap between macs an pc gets huge with this step of apple. this computer will be very mediocre in this field and there is no option anymore using apple computers. thats just very sad because i love the os!

  • Grant Bennet-Alder Level 9 Level 9 (52,230 points)

    the gap between macs an pc gets huge with this step of apple

    I presume you mean the Performance gap, not the "comfy old Hardware" gap.

     

    Could you please elaborate how the New Mac Pro falls short of your expectations in terms of Performance? I don't yet understand.

  • Leslie Bell Level 2 Level 2 (340 points)

    but if you work in 3d rendering apple kicked you out of the system!

     

    My current tower renders 3d with TheaStudio 24/7. My new MP, hooked up to my curent tower, will quintuple my productivity. At least.

     

    Not yours.

  • zachi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    ... it might be, seems that apple uses a new 12core xeon processor.

    sure they wont get that exclusice.. and on pc will be dual processor systems.

    that means half speed for conventional 3d rendering.

     

    then you can use octane render or other software for gpu rendering.

    it lets you use all attached cuda cards... w the right motherboards 4 cards or even more.

    with the new mac pro.. no cuda. tb2 too slow to attach them externally . nothing.

     

    macs were always slower than what was possible on pc...

    but this gap gets really really big now i fear... too big to ignore

    i love the system but if i can do work in 10min on a pc and need 1-2h on mac...

    i need to change the system, even if i get cancer of it

  • zachi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    My current tower renders 3d with TheaStudio 24/7. My new MP, hooked up to my curent tower, will quintuple my productivity. At least.

     

    at least? i'd check first if thea will work with ati gfx cards...

     

    http://www.thearender.com/cms/index.php/features/engines/presto-gpu.html

    Based on Nvidia CUDA Technology

    Presto is a unique GPU engine and it is based on Nvidia CUDA, which means that a compatible graphic card is needed to run it. It also supports Multiple GPUs (for normal Darkroom rendering) and co-operative rendering over the network. All the CUDA supporting cards can be used (see here for a detailed list).

  • Leslie Bell Level 2 Level 2 (340 points)

    at least? i'd check first if thea will work with ati gfx cards...

     

    I'm well aware of Presto, thanks.

     

    The cards will work just fine. I don't need Presto, I don't do interactive rendering. And if I ever do, Presto was developed well before the Mac Pro and Apple's choice of GFX cards was announced. Workarounds are in development as we write, I can assure you, and will, in all probability, be FULLY in place by the market release.

     

    Thanks for the concern. Oh, and thanks for being an unpaid beta-developer for Apple and many software developers and third party hardware peripheral vendors. Your every complaint and concern is being noted and I'm sure will be dealt with. Quite profitably.

  • GSVNotInventedHere Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I'm affraid mate you are thinking within todays 'Box'.

    Hopefully the artists of tomorrow are thinking out of the traditional 'Box' and that is what Cupertino are trying to design for us.

    As expandible for as many artists, for as long as possible.

    The traditional 'Tower' is now dead in the water.

  • Mark Styles Level 3 Level 3 (640 points)

    I wonder how much extra it will cost to add on the other peripherals we must use.. I have 6 drives in my 2008 macpro, two estata raids.  It looks to me, that everyone is going to have to add expansion boxes(how much will those cost?).  What about all the $$$ I have invested in my current technology. I'm semi retired now, and unlike when I was young, I'd always snatch up the newest technology..Now I have to be more prudent (or am I obsolete like 2008 computer tech?.

     

    My main concern is the $$$ and amount of space one will need to get a full system up and working.. It looks like your going to have a rat's nest of wires.. And the unit turns to expose the ports.. So now I'm going to have an extra foot of wiring coiled at the back of the machine..

     

    I've been putting off buying a newer computer for two years now.. An apple employee told me, it would be wiser to invest in the last of the original style macpros. and still be able to use the memory, drives, Esata. I have..

     

    But I will wait a bit more and see how this plays out.. It is unique looking. I'll give it that.

  • Don.Mac.iPhone4 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I don't understand al the worries about wires and cables....

     

    On my MacPro4,1 I have 1 ethernet, 2 mini-display port cables, 3 USB, 1 firewire, power, sound, and 1 sata cable coming from the back.... Plus I have 1 USB and 1 firewire always connected to the front - and sometimes 2 of each from the front.

     

    On the new MacPro, I can eliminate/combine the firewire and sata and 1 of the USB cables (the other is for my iPhone/iPad).

     

    And pricing the TB expansion boxes, the price is not that bad.....

     

    I'm guessing Apple is going to price the box somewhat less than it's current equivalent (since it has less "stuff" inside (and that plastic is cheaper than all that metal).

     

    I think the cable "mess" will be less than I have now.... 

     

    We'll all find out in a few months....  But I (for one) am not going to complain about something so trivial....

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