John.Romey

Q: Airport Express as wireless Extender to Time Capsule

I have an older airport express that I used to use as an Wifi extender for my Time Capsule. I have a Macbook Pro running Os 10.8.4, and the airport utility now gives the following error:

 

This version of AirPort Utility doesn’t support this base station. Go to AirPort Service and Support for more information.

 

Since OS 10.8 does not support Airport Express 5.6, I have an old Mac I've been able to access Airport Express on and was able to ensure that everything was setup correctly as a wireless extender. However, None of my computers, Ipads, or Iphones are benefitting from this as an extender. Is it possible to use this older airport express as an  extender still or has Apple completely blocked me from using it even as that any longer? It used to work fine, until I updated the OS from 10.7 to 10.8, and now it no longer functions.

 

Thank you!

MacBook Pro (13-inch Early 2011), OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.4)

Posted on Jun 26, 2013 2:22 PM

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  • by John Galt,

    John Galt John Galt Jun 26, 2013 3:26 PM in response to John.Romey
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    Jun 26, 2013 3:26 PM in response to John.Romey

    John.Romey wrote:

     

    ... However, None of my computers, Ipads, or Iphones are benefitting from this as an extender.

     

    How were you able to determine this?

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    John.Romey John.Romey Jun 26, 2013 3:39 PM in response to John Galt
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    Jun 26, 2013 3:39 PM in response to John Galt

    when you go in that room where the extender is plugged in, I get between 1-2 bars on all devices, the same as if the extender is unplugged.

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    John.Romey John.Romey Jun 26, 2013 3:40 PM in response to John.Romey
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    when the extender used to function normally, being next to it would give me full signal strength on the devices...

  • by John Galt,

    John Galt John Galt Jun 26, 2013 3:55 PM in response to John.Romey
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    Jun 26, 2013 3:55 PM in response to John.Romey

    The older devices should still function identically under ML as Lion. You can use AirPort Utility 5.6 for the Time Capsule as well, unless it is the newest model. Simply copy the app from the older Mac to the newer one. Make sure it has a unique name so that it does not overwrite the newer AirPort Utility version, which should not be removed.

     

    How is the Express configured to "extend" the Time Capsule's network? The only way I know to do that is to connect them to the TC using Ethernet. Older 802.11b/g Expresses, model numbers A1084 and A1088, cannot "wirelessly extend" a network.

     

    If you turn Wi-Fi off on the subject devices, then turn it back on when it is near the Express, does that make a difference?

     

    It may be necessary to perform a complete reset of your network, starting with a "hard reset" of all the devices. This will not erase your Time Capsule's backups.

  • by John.Romey,

    John.Romey John.Romey Jun 26, 2013 4:14 PM in response to John Galt
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    Jun 26, 2013 4:14 PM in response to John Galt

    Thanks for your reply. Sure you can extend with an A1084. When you go into configuration in Airport Security there is an option to "Extend the range of my Airport Extreme or Airport Express Network. Select this option if you want your AirPort Express to extend your wireless network and share its Internet connection." You then configure the Airport Express as an extender... I've been using it as such for several years but suddenly it stopped working with the OS update some months back.

     

    Turning on and off makes no difference, and I have done a hard reset on all of the devices with no luck.

     

    I was able to copy the old airport utility from the old mac to the new one, which allows access to it, but the whole point in setting this up is to have my ipad and iphone to be able to use it as an extender when at the other side of the apartment, which is quite long. They can't access it and as far as I know there is no old version of the airport utlity app for them either to check anything.

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    John.Romey John.Romey Jun 26, 2013 4:19 PM in response to John Galt
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    Jun 26, 2013 4:19 PM in response to John Galt

    Here is a workaround article for this very thing:

     

    http://www.macworld.com/article/1167965/mountain_lion_and_the_ancient_airport_ba se_station.html

     

    but not really helping me since I now have it "configured" and it's still now working.... I guess Apple just wants me to buy a new airport express....

  • by John Galt,

    John Galt John Galt Jun 26, 2013 4:39 PM in response to John.Romey
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    Jun 26, 2013 4:39 PM in response to John.Romey

    That article addresses installing AU 5.6 on a Mountain Lion system, not the ability to "wirelessly extend" an 802.11b/g - only Express. That ability is available for 802.11n - capable base stations only:

     

    Multiple Wi-Fi base station network types

    If you need to extend the range of your wireless network, which method should you use?

    For 802.11a/b/g/n Wi-Fi base stations:

    • Roaming Network (Recommended)
    • Wirelessly Extended Network

     

    For 802.11g Wi-Fi base stations:


    • Roaming Network (Recommended)
    • WDS

     

    Which of the above configurations applies to your network?

  • by John.Romey,

    John.Romey John.Romey Jun 26, 2013 4:49 PM in response to John Galt
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    Jun 26, 2013 4:49 PM in response to John Galt

    My Time Capsule is 802.11n (4th generation) and used as base station... I'm trying to get my A1084 Airport Express to work as the extender.

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    John.Romey John.Romey Jun 26, 2013 4:53 PM in response to John.Romey
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    Jun 26, 2013 4:53 PM in response to John.Romey

    and my AirPort Express is 802.11g running Version 6.3

  • by John Galt,

    John Galt John Galt Jun 26, 2013 5:00 PM in response to John.Romey
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    Jun 26, 2013 5:00 PM in response to John.Romey

    John.Romey wrote:

     

    and my AirPort Express is 802.11g running Version 6.3


    Then you are using a WDS or a roaming network. Which one?

  • by John.Romey,

    John.Romey John.Romey Jun 26, 2013 5:02 PM in response to John Galt
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    Jun 26, 2013 5:02 PM in response to John Galt

    Where in the settings can I determine this? I don't see either as an option.....

  • by John Galt,

    John Galt John Galt Jun 26, 2013 5:10 PM in response to John.Romey
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    Jun 26, 2013 5:10 PM in response to John.Romey

    If the Express is connected to the Time Capsule with an Ethernet cable, then you can implement a "roaming network".

     

    If not, then you can implement a WDS.

     

    Of the two, the "roaming network" is far more preferable. A WDS can be accomplished, but it's tedious even for experienced users and results in a significant reduction in network performance even when it's working perfectly. You will enjoy a good Wi-Fi signal at the Express but your potential network throughput will be reduced by more than 50% while connected to either base station.

     

    I guess Apple just wants me to buy a new airport express....

     

    Of course. You can only beat your head against a wall so much.

  • by John.Romey,

    John.Romey John.Romey Jun 26, 2013 5:34 PM in response to John Galt
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    Jun 26, 2013 5:34 PM in response to John Galt

    I is impossible for me to run a cable this distance without drilling through the walls of this apartment, which I doubt will make the building management happy. It's strange because it used to work and no longer does.

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    John Galt John Galt Jun 26, 2013 5:52 PM in response to John.Romey
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    Jun 26, 2013 5:52 PM in response to John.Romey

    OK, perhaps you need to reconfigure your WDS. Here are the instructions:

     

    Wi-Fi base stations: Setting up and configuring a Wireless Distribution System (802.11b/g)

     

    Use AirPort Utility 5.6.

     

    The last time I did this I found it helpful to have all the equipment together on one desk. That way, it's easier to read their MAC addresses, and to "hard reset" them if you should make a mistake which will invariably occur. Make everything work, then deploy the base stations to their permanent locations.

     

    Be sure to read the Additional Information at the end! In particular: "... be sure that all base stations have the same network name, channel, and security (password)."

     

    I was never able to successfully implement a WDS "automatically" even after following the steps with care. In the end it was necessary to configure each one manually anyway.

     

    Good luck!