Carbonite is dangerous to your file health!!

A couple years ago when I was losing data due to Time Machine failures, I went to the Genius Bar at the local Apple Store. They didn't have any suggestions for me about Time Machine, but the Genius suggested I try Carbonite.


I did so and for a while I was quite satisfied.


For the last six months and longer, it constantly fails me in not doing backups. Iget things going and after a while I just assume it is going OK as there are no status warnings or error reports. I guess I'm stupid tht way. But when I check its status I find one or the other of these problems. Sometimes I find that it says it cannot connect to my backup or there is something wrong with it. Other times, such as today, when I log into my online account with Carbonite (BTW, I purchased a subscription for it that is good until Sept 2014), it tells me Online Backup is OVERDUE. Last backed up June 13, 2013. Today is June 27, 2013 for those of you who read this later. The backup is 14 days out of date! The status page on System Preferences shows that 42 GB of files are awaiting backup and 132 GB of files are in the backup. When I opened the System Preference pages, it showed Carbonite as IDLE! After I opened my Account in Safari through the button in System Preferences, it now says Backup in Progress.


Why, you may be asking, did I put such an alarmist subject on my post? I have encountered this situation (either one or the other) AT LEAST MONTHLY for the last SIX MONTHS. I have repeatedly contacted Carbonite Support and asked what I can do. THEY HAVE PERSISTENTLY IGNORED MY REQUEST (at least I have received ZERO responses).


If a paid service such as Carbonite does not respond to help request filed through the HELP link on the System Preferences page on my iMac and US Based Support is advertised as part of what I paid for, I find that at least half the time my files are not being backed up. Why should I continue to use it. For the moment mostly because I paid a special rate for 3 years of service.


Being in teh business for a while, this is not my only backup strategy. I also have Time Machine running regularly. While TM has worked at times for me in the past, I have had it collalsally fail when I needed to restore a systm. The worst case was two years ago, when my iMac failed completely. Apple Care replace about everything. The power supply, the video unit, the mother board and a few other things. The iMac doesn't have a lot of parts. I've seen the inside of mine when the repairman was ehre. Finally they replaced the entire computer. However, i then discovered that as I had just moved to LION before the failure, that the TM files from Snow Leopard which constituted most of my backup were not compatible with Lion Migrate Utility and there was no way to migrate from my TM backup to my brand new but empty computer. Apple offered me nothing. I got a new machine but appeared to have lost my data.


What I finally did was after my old computer had rested for a month or so and Apple was bugging me about returning it, I turned in on again and it worked long enough for me to backup my user files from teh internal HD to an external HD which I then could load on my new machine.


My next worst TM tale was in teh first six months after I mvoed to MAC. I had regularly backed up via TM to a Time Capsule attached to my iMac. When I needed to do a major restore, it told me that the backup was corrupt. There appear to be no tools to rescue a corrupt backup. That may be in part the use of Sparse Bundles, I don't know. I have rescued data on an external drive that had some corruption on it by using disk tools that did the job. Under Windows, I even wrote programs to read the disk and write it to new files reading at a low level. But my knowledge of OS X does not go far enough to do this kind of rescue. I ahve even had a data recovery company rescue a disk that was unmountable. That was expensive.


I have found after years of experience that any method that requires me to manually intervene regularly to do the back ups always ceases to get done just before a failure. I need an automated approach.


What do people recomend? How do I make sure the Time Machine continues to work and is restorable. Anyone know how I can get a service like Carbonite to keep working and get the service for which I paid.


From Time to Time, I owuld like to do a periodic full backup for safety to an external disk which I will set aside. What is the best tool for doing that. From now on, when upgrading OS X, I want a full backup so that I don't get in that Snow Leopard to Lion fiasco. We have Mavericks announced for this fall I believe, so I want to get ready for that.


Thanks,


Bruce

iMac, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.3), 27-inch Mid 2011 2.7 Ghz Intel Core

Posted on Jun 27, 2013 9:16 PM

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Jun 28, 2013 11:05 PM in response to bkitchin

I particularly appreciate your suggestion of SuperDuper. Reading its documentation, I find it more what I want than CCC. With CCC I have to pretnd to be in a certain backup model even when I simply want to copy. In that way SuperDuper appears to be more what I want.

This is why i switched to SuperDuper some time ago.


A utility which could scan a TM backup and discover file fragments for recovery and provide the ability to write those fragement somewhere on another disk or even allow searching for parts of files could be really useful.

A utility specifically for that i don't know of. You could use something like Data Rescue but it's long and tedious work. Data Rescue should get the job done as long as the hard drive mechanics are ok.


Is it possible to backup a Time Machine backup to an external drive for offsite storage and restore it later. As TMuses a Sparse Bundle approach I don't know how to copy and restore such a 'file' in a way that is still usable fo restoring.

You can clone your Time Machine drive with SuperDuper or Disk Utility as well.


Depending on the resources you have available you can make your backup strategy however you want. Here is an example (after the intro story) of how that person tailored his backup strategy to the hardware he had available.


I have Time Machine backup every 4 hours, i always leave it connected, no exceptions. An external mirrorred RAID drive holds a backup of all my photos, i update it with SuperDuper as soon as changes are made to the original files. Then there is another external that holds clones of all my partitions, i update that once a week. Also a USB flash drive that holds my Mountain Lion installer, hardware tests for my systems and some recovery software in case i need it. As i obtain or lose drives i adjust my strategy.

Jun 27, 2013 9:59 PM in response to bkitchin

I do not use any online backup solutions but have heard good things about backblaze. As for a periodic backup i clone my drive to an external using superduper. Time Machine has failed me a few times in the past as well so i no longer rely on it for full system recoveries. To retrieve an occasional file, sure but if i need a full system restored, i use my clones.


Also explore the possibility that it is not Carbonite and Time Machine constantly messing up but your data having/causing issues due to permission problems or possible corruption. After backing up your data with Time Machine and a clone i'd run some diagnostics just to make sure (Disk Utility for permissions repair and drive verification). Perhaps an erase and clean install, this can work miracles if your system has been receiving upgrade after upgrade.

Jun 28, 2013 10:25 PM in response to jayv.

I particularly appreciate your suggestion of SuperDuper. Reading its documentation, I find it more what I want than CCC. With CCC I have to pretnd to be in a certain backup model even when I simply want to copy. In that way SuperDuper appears to be more what I want.


I am reconsidering my entire back up strategy and am considering basing it on SuperDuper plus Time Machine. For short term work, the ability to recover this morning's or last Tuesday's version of a file that I've either deleted by mistake or edited beyong repair is truly great and I tend to depend on it. TM has never failed me in that situation except the time the disk structure became corrupted. As I am unable to trace any issue in that situation to problems with my files (the system as it existed on the day I tried to recover stuff passed all the DiskUtility verify and repair operations), I'm guessing that some hiccup in the sparse bundle writes being done by TM may have caused something to fail. If that is the case and if there is not a recovery proedure for that, I fear TM may be too fragile. A utility which could scan a TM backup and discover file fragments for recovery and provide the ability to write those fragement somewhere on another disk or even allow searching for parts of files could be really useful.


My new strategy will most likely be based on periodic full disk copies to disks stored offline (and possibly offsite though in my case I need to figure out how to do that as I do not have another site nor do I want to spend a fortune on storage. Less than a cubic yard of storage would be plenty but normally I need to rent enough space to pack my living room in and that costs on the order of $1000 a year.


My system lets me connect 2.5" or 3.5" hard drives into a Voyager unit from Other World Computing (MacSales.com) provies an excelant high performance disk copy platform using my Mac and a Firewire 800 connection.Being on an iMac, I don't have an eSATA interface for the best speed and the Voyager is not yet available with Thunderbolt.


So doing periodic system copies this way, the question of my intermediate needs. Can I count on TM for that purpose? Possibly.


Is it possible to backup a Time Machine backup to an external drive for offsite storage and restore it later. As TMuses a Sparse Bundle approach I don't know how to copy and restore such a 'file' in a way that is still usable fo restoring.


The SuperDuper people have a couple of nice white papers on back up solutions but I don't think they deal with this part although I'm still reading it. Anyone know of an online discussion that would be worth checking out or any books that are good for Mac OS X back up strategies?


Thanks,


Bruce

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