Why does Logic renumber my main source audio files in the bin?

The top name refers to the entire file itself, the lower represents the regions within that file that are used in your song. If you drag the drag and drop te files directly into the arrangement, Logic gives you the opportunity NOT create new regions, but as soon as you cut or paste or punch into a region in the arrangement, the divided regions will appear with new numbers under the original file. You can "option/click on the little arrow to collapse all the drop downs and you'll just see the originals.

There is only one file on your hard drive. The additional names just REFER to parts of it. Like an alias. The original file name and number appear before the decimal.

chrisremo wrote:

Logic created NEW numbered versions that go up to 32, and inside THOSE newly-numbered ones are the ORIGINAL numbers.

To see the ORIGINAL filenames, I have to actually expand the newly-numbered one in the bin, and then inside that is the original numbered filename.

The ones "inside" - that you can after you expand - are region names, not files. So in your screenshot, "Samantha_15.wav" is the filename. There is a region called "Samantha_01" that points to the file "Samantha_15.wav." This is easy to verify and see in action by dragging a file, or region, into the arrange and watch what happens in the bin. If you drag the "Sam_15.wav" into the arrange and let go, immediately the "Sam_01" will be selected in the bin. If you drag "Sam_01" into the arrange, it just stays selected in the bin. Now rename it in the arrange and see what changes in the bin.

Witness that in your original files you jump from 14 to 16 with one called "edited" in between. this is why there is a "15" corresponding to "01" and then "18" corresponding to "02."

Making more sense how that works now?

Witness that in your original files you jump from 14 to 16 with one called "edited" in between. this is why there is a "15" corresponding to "01" and then "18" corresponding to "02," adding to confusion.

Here's how to create a situation like the one you are in from scratch: I'll use an example of 6 files, numbered like yours (01 through 06). Drag them puppies into the bin. Select all. Go into Audio File>Copy/Convert. Just hit "save" at the bottom of the next window. Now it is going to ask you about something about already existing and if you want to save or replace. Hit save. Do that every time it comes up.

When it's done you have files called "whatever_07" through "whatever_12" and the regions (if you expand the arrows) are still called 01 through 06. Also, those will be the only files in the bin. Yet if you take a look in the folder in Finder you will see the original 6 files are still there.

The other way to get to where you are is to have all the files in the arrange and to "create new audio files" from the regions, but then you would have to rename all the regions (they'll just be 07 through 12). Also, the originals would still be in the bin. Finally, because some of your regions are dark grey in the bin, that points to them having not been in the arrange yet.

chrisremo wrote:

I know I haven't placed any regions in the arrange for any of these files except for the first three.

I haven't even placed that file/region in the arrange window yet...

Which is why I said this:

"because some of your regions are dark grey in the bin, that points to them having not been in the arrange yet."

Why is the SAMANTHA_17 region--which corresponds to the original SAMANTHA_17.wav--inside of the newly-created and newly-numbered SAMANTHA_32.wav in the bin? I haven't even placed that file/region in the arrange window yet, so I don't know why it would be doing any renumbering at all at this point. Logic simply created an ADDITIONAL wav called SAMANTHA_32.wav, and then for some reason placed a region called SAMANTHA_17 inside of THAT in the bin. This is what I'm trying to figure out. It seems very counter-intuitive.

I understand the difference between files and regions. What I don't understand is why Logic has doubled the number of source files I have (there are litererally two copies of every single one of these wavs in the Source Audio folder for this project, with increasingly high serialized number filenames) and used these newly-created files as the canonical names for the files in the bin.

In my last paragraph I outlined one way this could happen, and 2 reasons why I don't think that this is what you did.

The two paragraphs before that detail what I think is about the only way to arrive at your exact scenario. Every little quirk that you are experiencing comes about in this way. I can find no other method to arrive at every single hitpoint than this, which includes:

1) inconsistent region/file names

2) numerically congruent (it's late - I mean you have files 1-6, and then duplicates that are 7-12) numbering system of duplicates

3) the numbers of "2nd generation" duplicate files have region names that correspond to the 1st generation

4) some of these have not been added to arrange, some have, but some haven't.

5) bin shows just 1 version of each file, yet 2 versions exist in folder

Here it is again. Maybe at one point you wanted to copy the files for destructive editing, or convert them for some other reason. Regardless, I strongly believe you, at some point, did the following:

Here's how to create a situation like the one you are in from scratch: I'll use an example of 6 files, numbered like yours (01 through 06). Drag them puppies into the bin. Select all. Go into Audio File>Copy/Convert. Just hit "save" at the bottom of the next window. Now it is going to ask you about something about already existing and if you want to save or replace. Hit save. Do that every time it comes up.

When it's done you have files called "whatever_07" through "whatever_12" and the regions (if you expand the arrows) are still called 01 through 06. Also, those will be the only files in the bin. Yet if you take a look in the folder in Finder you will see the original 6 files are still there.

One other point, just FYI. The regions in the bin are not "inside" the other ones. Think of it instead as you see the "file.wav" in the bin. If you click the down arrow, you are not looking inside of it, you are looking at a list of all its occurances and how they are divided up. In your case, each region is used once, and it is the entire lenght of the audio file. But if you take one of those and chop it up, duplicate it (in the arrange), and whatnot - you'll see how it is one 'master file.wav' and you'll see the list below it.

Hey chrisremo.

I have to admit that I haven't read the full dialogue of this thread but I think I could help you out some. I just clicked on the screenshot you provided & I know what's going on:

1. Audio File Folder (labeled here as "Pt2 Audio Diaries") shows the name of the audio files in your folder

2. Audio Bin: e.g. "SAMANTHA_21.wav" shows the name of the actual file as it is right now but you'd have to drag that to the track you'd want it to be placed in. Once you do, you'll see a small waveform in it's place where the "blank waveform" currently is.

3. Next, double click below where it says "SAMANTHA_05", Command + A (to select all), Command + C (to copy) then double click "SAMANTHA_21.wav" & Command + V (to paste).

4. Now your .wav file will show up as SAMANTHA_05 in your audio folder if that's what you want.

The ONLY problem is, in Logic Pro X, Apple, Inc. has taken out ability to delete files from audio folder via the audio bin by using Command + Delete which *****!!!

I hope this helps. If not... Hey, I tried.