Cooling Theory

I am in hopes that somebody can help me get a better understanding of a bit of MBP physics regarding heat. I am doing some hefty 3D rendering for a video project and heat is a real problem. I have installed smcFan control and run that aggressively, I have an elevated aluminum cooling stand with three built-in fans blowing at the rear base of the laptop and I have astrong external fan parked right behind it blowing a whole bunch of air across the entire thing. Saldy I still get the occasional lockup that seems to be thermal related. I recognize the obvious "buy a tower" answer but that simply is not feasible right now.


Here is my theory question. I have read across the web that blowing air across the case will help cool it, but conversely that cooling the actual metal of the case bottom will have little to no effect because the heat-producing guts are insulated from the case. If that insulation statement was true, how would the heat transfer internally to make the case so hot in the first place? I am not a physics professor, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn last night, but that just doesn't seem right.


If the metal unibody is getting scorching hot beyond the ability of air convection to cool, my logic tells me that sucking heat off through contact conduction should be a step up as conduction can be more efficient. (assuming I use something like a copper contact surface) Affixing something like a desktop-style liquid-cooling waterblock or some other way to press a perpetually cold object against the rear underside of the MBP seems logical to me, but posts on the subject across the web (at least that I have found) have sparked arguments that make the Ford vs Chevy dispute seem pale by comparison.


My simple question is if MBP heat dissipation via external conduction is a viable approach. I do not care about noise, bulk or mobility, all my rendering takes place on a desktop and I can walk away while it is running. If anybody has any hard-science / engineering-type insight I would greatly appreciate it.


Thanks.

Posted on Jun 30, 2013 10:26 AM

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Jun 30, 2013 10:40 AM in response to Michael Marks

Not going to get into a lengthy discussion.


If you want a cooler machine


1: Open the machine up and remove the fans, but you shouldn't have to disconnect the cable, clean the cooling fins, fan floor and blades of dust.


Install/upgrade RAM or storage drive in Mac's


2: Use the machine in a cold air conditioned environment, the cold air will be drawn through the machine cooling it a whole lot better than a external contraptions.


3: Yes, get a tower for heavy workloads, that's what they are designed for, also the dust is easier to clean out of them.

Jun 30, 2013 10:49 AM in response to Michael Marks

A while back in another post the originator was a an engineer and I posed to him the question of placing the MBP on some thick aluminum plates and what affect it would have on the cooling process (which I have done). His answer was that any massive heat sink would be of benefit.


Anyone who says that the aluminum body of the MBP does not contribute to the cooling process simply does not understand the laws of physics.


My observation has been that the room temperature has an affect on the operating temperature of a MBP. A cool air conditioned environment will be beneficial. If necessary and you have the component materials, I suggest a large aluminum plate larger that the MBP, 3/8" thick or more resting on an ice pack. That should help mitigate your heat problems/


I would be interested to know what temperature levels you are experiencing?


Ciao.

Jun 30, 2013 10:59 AM in response to Michael Marks

Apple has maintained the case bottom is part of the heat disipation system since the first Al-cased portables came out. Just how effective it is remains hard to pin down.


I agree with ds store on using a desktop model for heavy lifting. I doubt any current portable, regardless of who made it, is designed for heavy-duty heat disapation. The sizes of fans and air paths are sacrificed at the Alter of Compactness and Portability. Desktop computers have massive fans and plenty of room inside.


You can have some peace of mind because your computer has buit-in thermal protection. It will shut down before the internal temps reach the point where the computer innards fry. However, the shut-down will cost you your unsaved work.


The only thing I can add to ds store's recommendations is to check for any runaway background processes that could be using processor cycles and runing up the temps.


Here is the Apple articel on how to check:


http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1473


NOTE: It's not included in the article but the only way to get the test to show the real culprits is to use the computer normally for several hours and do the check WITHOUT a restart. If you restart, all processes start over and any troublesome ones won't show up for a while.

Jun 30, 2013 11:12 AM in response to Michael Marks

Michael Marks wrote:


...I have installed smcFan control and run that aggressively, I have an elevated aluminum cooling stand with three built-in fans blowing at the rear base of the laptop and I have astrong external fan parked right behind it blowing a whole bunch of air across the entire thing...

If any of the air being blown by all those fans is aimed at the back edge where the hinge is on the MBP, it may be interfering with the internal fan's air transfer inside the computer. It's my understanding that both air intake and exhaust occur through that hinged area on the MBP (but not the rMBP).


And, FWIW, my Mac Pro can heat the room it's in in winter all by itself when it's working hard. A lot of heat is generated with heavy use and there's a much more restrictive limit on what a laptop can do about it.


...Affixing something like a desktop-style liquid-cooling waterblock or some other way to press a perpetually cold object against the rear underside of the MBP seems logical to me...

Would that run any risk of internal condensation if the cooling system got way ahead of the MBP heating up or the MBP was idling for a while?

Jun 30, 2013 11:19 AM in response to Michael Marks

I am doing some hefty 3D rendering for a video project and heat is a real problem.


First off anything 3D is heavily graphics processor/video card intensive, so if your using a 13" MBP, it doesn't have the more powerful dedicated graphics processor, the CPU is doing it all using the Intel HD graphics.


If your using a 15"-17" then it does have a extra graphics for 3D, however it's a laptop model and thus throttled in performance so the heat doesn't get so bad that the cooling system (little as it is) can keep up.


You didn't give a specific model of your machine, but looking here you can see it's no match for a tower


http://www.cbscores.com/index.php?sort=ogl&order=desc


http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu_list.php

Jun 30, 2013 11:27 AM in response to FatMac-MacPro

Fat Mac wrote:


And, FWIW, my Mac Pro can heat the room it's in in winter all by itself when it's working hard.


Brigns back memories. Before retiring I had a G4 MDD running Adobe CS, an older PowerMac, plus an Windows tower--all with big CRT monitors. The office was about 15x17 feet and, even during Idaho winters, I didn't need much extra heat to stay comfy at work.

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