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New Airport Time Capsule Dropping Wifi/Internet with 7.7.1

Last week I bought a new Airport 2TB Time Capsule and had everything up and running within minutes. However, less than 24 hours later, the wifi signal started dropping devices all around the house. It started with the AppleTV, and eventually dropped our iPhones and iPad as well. The problem is one I've seen on these forums before (however, not with this new model).


I since exchanged it, and the new model is having the identical issues.


Basically, the problem is 1 of 3 things:


1. You'll look down at your iPhone (or whatever device that is wirelessly connected), and see a full wifi signal. However, you'll have lost access to the Internet. Using the AirPort app won't find the Airport Time Capsule. Sometimes turning off wifi on the iPhone and turning it back on fixes the issue, sometimes the Airport Time Capsule needs to be restarted.

2. The AirPort Time Capsule stops broadcasting SSID at random intervals. Even when standing right next to it, there is no way to join the network.

3. The Internet connection drops in the middle of a browsing session (usually while using an iPhone).


On both devices (the original new one, and the replacement exchange), I immediately ran the firmware update. So, I'm thinking this could be a firmware issue.


This router replaces a Linksys e3000 that was working flawlessly. It's connected to a Cox Cable Cisco DOCSIS 3.0 modem (modem only, no router). The AirPort Time Capsule runs in WPA2 protected mode. It's running DHCP and NAT, and 2.4 and 5ghz are currently running the same network name (although I've tried separating them to no effect).


I am at my wits end. I find it hard to believe that both of these routers are defective. And I also find it hard to believe that I'm doing something wrong in the setup of this simple device, considering I've been working with all kinds of very complicated routers for over a decade without this kind of problem.


So I come to you, community, for help!


Thank you in advance!

Posted on Jun 30, 2013 7:08 PM

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Posted on Jun 30, 2013 7:52 PM

I don't have one.. but your testing is conclusive.. the TC is not stable on this firmware.. Apple will no doubt fix it .. I think their secrecy in marketing leads to less than adequate testing.. you are expecting to buy a mature product.. remember this is a ground breaker.. this is the first all new design since Gen1 TC.. all previous models used Maxell processor and chipset.. albeit with various wireless cards.. now it is broadcom.. processor and wireless.. this also runs apple written firmware.


Broadcom OEM firmware.(linux and hence open source) supplied to all manufacturers of products based on the chipset.. well that would be just wrong for apple... it has to be done in NETBSD,, so it is not open source.. the very thought.. open source.. . that would give everyone access to controls apple don't want you to have.. http setup even.. couldn't allow that.. so apple have to write the firmware from scratch and to match all those apple protocols. Hence where they are now now.

And your role is beta tester.. didn't you know. 😝


Return it and stick with your Linksys (broadcom, Linux open source) until Gen 6 TC comes out. 😉

Unless you like the bleeding edge.

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Nov 8, 2013 5:35 AM in response to EarthStationOahu

Like everything else Wi-Fi distance and throughput depends upon your environment.


My 802.11ac TC gives me nice 162 Mbps speeds on 5 GHz at a distance of about 70 feet.


Really, much beyond 75 - 100 feet is starting to get problematic for WiFi with standard tranmitters and antennas; beyond that it's a matter of having line of sight with no obstacles and in many cases special transmitting or receiving antennas.

Nov 10, 2013 7:39 PM in response to Pete_in_LongBeach

I thought I'd jink myself and I did... after I guess about a week the same old symptoms again - dropping connectivity about every five minutes. The Airport utility showing the globe with an orange dot and thinking it's disconnected. The TC itself thinks it's fine. At the same time my modem thinks it's fine. And the wireless keeps transmitting and receiving, just without a connection.


I'm back now with my old $40 D-Link router talking to the modem and the TC in Bridge mode on one of the LAN slots. Something from Comcast (and possibly others) - perhaps something weird with IPv6 - or maybe dealing with a noisy cable line- is creating a disconnect between the cable modem output and the TC input. Somewhere along the line the Internet connection is getting hammered. This does not seem to be modem brand related as my brand new Cisco modem is doing the same thing - after about a week doing great.


Could there be something that gets screwed up the first time the DHCP leases expire and the TC tries to negotiate a new one? Perhaps the D-Link is more forgiving with the language the TC uses.


I know you Apple folks read these posts. Please let me know, either privately or in this thread if you are working on anything like this. My only other option is to return the TC, which I may do if it starts being flaky in Bridge mode.


Best of luck to all,

-pete

Nov 12, 2013 11:38 PM in response to CongressDJ

Adding as I'm also having issues


- Brand-new 2GB Time Capsule Extreme (AC)

- Cutouts every 20-40 minutes. The actual router dies; can't ping 10.0.1.1 through direct-ethernet-wired macbook pro (and therefore forget about ISP, DNS, or other points of failure)

- Disconnection happens across 2.4ghz and 5ghz bands AND wired connections, simultaneously

- Firmware 7.7.1

- No Apple TV on the network

- No warning icon of overheating or any other issue

- When it works I easily get 30-35 mbps on 5ghz.



For those wanting a log of downtime - I am using this script from a terminal. It pings every 10 seconds (10000 miliseconds) and only displays failed pings. Output also gets saved to pinglog.txt (make sure you run this from a terminal window open at your desktop folder). Replace the IP to ping with whatever is appropriate.


while :; do ping -c 1 -W 10000 10.0.1.1 >/dev/null || date '+%F %T'; sleep 1; done | tee pinglog.txt

Nov 17, 2013 12:21 AM in response to macaduck

Similar issue here - bought a brand new Airport Extreme Time Capsule with 3TB (Firmware 7.7.1) 2 weeks ago to upgrade from a perfectly working Airport Extreme that was about 2 years old.


Since then I have constant dropouts - I have monitored external connectivity with a similar script and I can see that the connection just dies every couple of minutes; unusable for a home office and very disappointing for a device that cost AUD 450.


I am using the device in bridge mode with the Internet coming from a Telstra DOCSIS Router; I simply removed the old Airport Extreme and plugged the new Time Capsule in; it configured itself and the Internet works well when it's there - except it's not there far too often.


I don't have to reset it though - just wait a couple of minutes and it comes back...


I tried to downgrade the firmware but wasn't able to find a firmware that the device would accept (I scanned through the version.xml file in the ~/Library/Application Support/Apple/Airport/Firmware folder and could not find a file for a version < 7.7.1 for my device).


What I tried (from some other posts) was...


- changed the DNS to Google (8.8.8.8), overwriting the DNS provided by the Cable Router

- in the Internet Settings change the IPv6 from "Automatically" to "Link Local Only"


Doesn't seem to have helped.


I have now gone back to my Airport Extreme with Firmware 7.6.4 and enjoy uninterrupted Internet.


Not impressed *** Apple ***.

Nov 18, 2013 9:01 PM in response to EarthStationOahu

There's something new.


I have had similar problems to others here lately:


Apple Extreme 5th generation 2012 (brick not tower)

Comcast Xfinity

Motorola SB6141 router

Several Macs and an Apple TV on the home network


Worked well until a week ago when I started having all the drop out issues people have noted here. I did the following that I didn't previously know --


1) Enable IPv6

2) Make double darned sure the DNS servers for both IPv4 and v6 were explicitly stated (they were gone at one point!)

3) provide a name for the 5GHz channel.


So far so good for today; we'll see. This thread and another one ("Airport Extreme / Motorola Surfboard 6141 Disconnecting") have been very helpful as I've been trouble-shooting, and I thank you all.



Steve White

Nov 19, 2013 1:13 PM in response to CongressDJ

(Hey Moderators, I removed the rant portion please don't delete)



Just wanted to add another voice about the new Time Capsule problems. Mine was an absolute pain in the *** to setup with my Uverse router. Finally got it working at decent speeds after 5+ hours of messing with it. That lasted about 4 days and now it all of a sudden drops internet repeatedly. Resetting the router and then the time capsule works less than 50% of the time. I had to turn the wifi on through Uverse router just to find this forum post. I was relieved to see I wasn't the only one having problems. When I do reset both router and TC, and it works, the internet comes right back and then literally drops within 1-5 minutes. The really maddening thing here is I a had a first generation time capsule that had the join network option. I used my AT&T router for that and it worked great. Now with this new TC Apple has removed that feature in all their infinite glory and wisdom, charged me a premium, and the POS has fewer features and 100% more down time than something that comes free with my cable subscription. I want this fixed! To say I'm dissapointed would be a massive understatement.


I should add that after the internet drops it still displays full bars as everybody has mentioned but if I disconnect and try to reconnect, it claims I've got the wrong password even though the password is saved in the computer.


Has anybody had any luck contacting support about this and what did they say? Is it a firmware issue?

Nov 19, 2013 1:17 PM in response to patsch01

patsch01 wrote:


I had a 5GHz network name - didn't make a difference.


I have returned my Airport Extreme Time Capsule to Apple. Maybe significant number of product returns will make Apple wake up and do something.

I ordered mine through Amazon. I just looked and I have until Jan. 31st to return it. If there's isn't a firmware upgrade by then, I'll be sending it back.

Nov 19, 2013 1:24 PM in response to EarthStationOahu

I tried this and AirPort utilitiy returned an error message, then told me to click a button to "forget" the TC, which made it vanish from the pane. Relaunching AirPort utility brought it back, apparently with the "[Network name] 5Ghz" enabled. Can't tell yet if it will fix anything.


Just to add to the comments/symptoms: I have a new Samsung TV, which often gets booted offline, with the same message: "Connected to your network [Network Name], but not connected to the Internet." Disabling wifi on the tv and then re-enabling it usually works as a workaround.


Clearly, this issue is endemic with these Apple devices, and requires a fix, probably firmware. Note that this is my second TimeCapsule; Apple already replaced my first one under warranty for similar issues. The new one is better, but not much. The issues that pervade this message thread persist.

Nov 19, 2013 1:53 PM in response to CongressDJ

I just got off the phone with tech support. The guy insisted everything stemmed from using the TC as a bridge connected to the Uverse modem/router. I don't know of any other way to make it work because I can't exactly make the modem/router all in one the bridge. Does everybody here have their TC running off an all in one type box?

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