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  • 45. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    CoinOP1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    "Not true in my case, I won't be upgrading as there's nothing new in this release that I need, I'm perfectly happy with my Snow Leopard/Logic 9 combination."

     

    Well then I wasn't refering to you...

  • 46. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    Robin Johnson Level 2 Level 2 (210 points)

    CoinOP1 wrote:

     

    Those who have no sympathie for users who bought it very recently are typical Apple consumers: Willing to give Apple money for overpriced repeat products just because it's Apple.

    Sorry, but that's absolute drivel. If anyone on this planet thinks that LPX is 'overpriced' at $200/£139, then frankly they need their head examining.

     

    But do feel free to take the ProTools route and let us know how you get on with their upgrade pricing...

  • 47. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    seisend Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    lol, I was upgrading from each Logic version now ever since aswell but didn't even think about an upgrade price since it is so cheap.

    Just buy it, it's awesome.

  • 48. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    CoinOP1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    199$ Is a fixed price not a promotion! A fair price for a pro version of Garageband and Apple loops users. Just like Protools has a fixed price. But their upgrade is still lower then the full price unlike Apple.

     

    Protools 11 was presented at Musikmesse unlike LPX that came out of the blue. You really think new users would still buy LP9 if they knew LPX was coming soon? Kinda fishy....

     

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  • 49. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    Robin Johnson Level 2 Level 2 (210 points)

    CoinOP1 wrote:

     

    199$ Is a fixed price not a promotion! A fair price for a pro version of Garageband and Apple loops users. Just like Protools has a fixed price. But their upgrade is still lower then the full price unlike Apple.

     

    Protools 11 was presented at Musikmesse unlike LPX that came out of the blue. You really think new users would still buy LP9 if they knew LPX was coming soon? Kinda

     

    fishy....

    I'm sorry mate, but by continuing down this train of attempting to make me look foolish, you are only succeeding in making yourself look progressively more ignorant.

     

    If you had bothered to read my original post before reaching for the "this guy's a **** and I'm going to tell him so" button, you would see that I've been using Logic for the best part of 20 years. I suspect that I probably have quite a few more years of age, experience, wisdom and professional music production behind me than you do. From that I'm sure you will use your intelligence to extrapolate that Garageband doesn't quite do all I need from a DAW - although for hobbyists like several of my friends it is indeed a very good and user-friendly way of dabbling in music production.

     

    I tried ProTools myself quite a few years ago. Some people take to certain software, others don't. I didn't take to ProTools. I also haven't taken to Cubase and the myriad other DAWs that are out there. Why not? Well, it has absolutely nothing to do with Logic being by Apple and me wanting to by everything that Apple does - I'm not 17 years old with a fixation on wanting to outdo my geeky friends.

     

    No, the reason I have stuck with Logic is sheer common sense - I know the software, it does what I want, I understand how it does what I want, so why on earth would I waste valuable hours/days of my life learning a new software package when I don't need to? Life's too short.

     

    Have I upgraded to Logic X yet? No. I will wait at least until the first update/bug fix comes along to sort out the inevitable glitches that the .0 version will have. That's called common sense.

     

    Would I have upgraded to Logic X this week if I had only bought Logic 9 last week? No. I would hang fire and get to know the version I had bought first. That's called common sense too.

     

    Just because Logic X is out, it doesn't mean anyone has to upgrade immediately. Logic 9 hasn't suddenly stopped working or disappeared in a puff of smoke - as I have been proving for the past few days, strangely enough. It's still there, stil working fine...

     

    Where Apple could be seen to be at fault is in creating an atmosphere where a significant part of its (generally non-professional) userbase has convinced itself that it NEEDS the very latest version of everything the very second it is released.

     

    But then again - is that Apple's 'fault'... or is it marketing genius?

     

    Nobody is making anybody buy Logic X as soon as it comes out. If people only bought Logic 9 last week but have convinced themselelves that they MUST have Logic X now, then I think that says a lot more about the mentality of the consumer than it does the pricing policy of the manufacturer.

     

    Apple is in the business of making money. It's not a charity for its 'IwantIwantIwantIwant' consumers. If people don't want to pay the price, don't do the upgrade. Simple.

     

    Thanks for reading. There will be no more posts from me on this subject, I've already lost quite a few minutes of my life on it and I aint wasting any more. TTFN

  • 50. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    CoinOP1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I've stopped reading when you used the old "let's put some weight to my words with my impressive credentials" trick.

  • 51. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    Stevensl Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    By that 'logic' I should have stayed with CoolEdit! However, advances in programming and technology to come along and, in time I went with Sydec's amazing 'Soundscape' system for many years. Recently, however, I was convinced that I should make technology jump from PC to Mac and to Logic. Yes, I was sold a 'pig in a poke' with L9 but, if I'm going to make the jump then I should make the starting baseline the most advanced version (before I dig myself in).

    I've been promised that I will now embark of a wonderful journey with my new gear. However, Many years ago, i dumped my Mac Plus for a good reason and it's looking like things have not changed. I'll get by. Just with a sour taste in my mouth. Other companies really do treat their customers better. I know from long experience.

  • 52. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    fuzz iscandar Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thanks CoinOP1 for highlighting...

    its all due to misinformation. i will happily spend even $299 if proper release of X was formalised/circulated (so, i can make happy purchasing decision) as i've eagerly waited for X since the rumours started last year...

     

    Im learning 'new' things with this experience...

    Just, where Apple will take us, the newly-alienated followers from here....

  • 53. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    Kevin Hunter4 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

        I wanted to chime in on this as I have been using Logic since Emagic version 2.

    While there is some common sense in the "this is good value at $199" thinking

    Apple has completely forgotten what keeps them in business, customer loyalty.

    Between Emagic and Apple I have spent $7690 on Logic and Logic related products,

    the fact that this earns me nothing, even a small discount, is an insult I won't be

    soon forgetting. Yes, I know that this is preception, but quite frankly perception is

    everything.

          I don't need to make value evaluations at this point, I bought Apple products

    when they were nearly out of business and

    very expensive, out of loyalty to the brand, 'to keep them going'.

    Expecting them to return the favor with the occasional Upgrade discount isn't asking that

    much.

  • 54. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    alohapussycat Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    This whole.. "why is there no upgrade price from L9 to LPX" is one of the dumbest, self centered argument/complaints I have heard in a long time....

     

    Wow...that is a super judgemental statement.  And one that is patently untrue.  Perhaps you feel that anyone who seeks fair and honest trade through unions or ACLU lawyers are dumb and self-centered, but it the ability to task those who practice unfairly that is a cornerstone of democracy.  That said, perhaps you misunderstand the arguments many people are making.  Logic is an excellent DAW and well worth the money, no argument.  It is the change to the industrywide pricing model that we, the dumb and self-cenetered complainers, have a problem with.  Perhaps you have not been purchasing software long enough to have seen the development and stadardization of a pricing model in the professional software arena that allows for upgrades to earlier adopters.  But I can assure you that it does exist and is practiced with VERY few exceptions (in fact I can think of none).  Logic is presented by Apple as a professional piece of software, it is not at all unuusal for ANYONE purchasing the software to assume that the pricing model will be the industry standard model.  Apple presents Logic as a great deal in professional software, THAT IS THE PROBLEM.  Apple is COUNTING ON your believing that they are following the industrywide standard pricing model.  Because without that model, LOGIC IS NOT A BARGAIN.  I purchased Logic Pro 9 two months before Logic Pro X was released.  If I want a very well supported piece of software (not unreasonable to expect for a professional software package) I have now paid double the price for the Logic package.  Logic is now on par with other higher priced packages like Cakewalk and Cubase.  And when Logic Pro 11 is released, I am now well behind the curve in DAW pricing.  And while Apple is able to impliment any software pricing model they want, it is the sneaky way in which they have done this that will be their undoing.  They have made plenty of loyal consumers very angry and these consumers are neither dumb, nor self-centered.  They were cheated.  I will be voting with my pocketbook as suggested by others.  But I will also, in a stunning lack of self-centeredness, be trying to help others avoid my mistake.  I will be visiting EVERY site that includes user reviews and will review the pricing policy of the software in hopes that other will see my review, understand the abberant pricing policy, and are able to make an educated decision.  That decision may be to purchase Logic Pro, which is an excellent piece of software.  But it will be an educated decision with full knowledge of the aberrant pricing policy implimented without warning or notice by a sneaky and dishonest corporate machine.  I urge others to do the same.

  • 55. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    Pancenter Level 5 Level 5 (7,640 points)

    Robin Johnson wrote:

     

    I'm sorry mate, but by continuing down this train of attempting to make me look foolish, you are only succeeding in making yourself look progressively more ignorant.

     

     

    Now children...

     

    For users that purchased Logic 9 thirty days prior to the release of LogicX, it's simply good business to offer an exchange or refund. The fact that "App Store" employees did this on their own (before being stopped by HQ) shows it to be a fair practice, especially considering the fact that Apple kept the release date secret, even from most of it's employees.

     

    As for offering a discount for prior users.. it doesn't exist with Apple's current business model. Discounts are not App Store friendly.

  • 56. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    Cyril Blanc Level 4 Level 4 (1,270 points)

    After a few weeks with Logic X, I was hoping that Scripter will allow to develop an equivalent to the VST Expression Maps.

     

    No way, it is very limited, it does less than the Environnement, it does not even handle META data.

     

    I am so disapointed to have pay this price for nothing very helpfull

  • 57. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    Mike Connelly Level 4 Level 4 (1,785 points)

    alohapussycat wrote:

     

    without that model, LOGIC IS NOT A BARGAIN.

     

    Nonsense.  Actually do the math and add up the total costs for owning Logic over several years and versions.  Sure, Apple did away with upgrade pricing but the flip side of that is they dropped the price so the result is that in the long run everyone does end up saving a lot of money.  Having four years in between paid upgrades as opposed to every year also saves a lot of cash.

  • 58. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    alohapussycat Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Sorry, but that's absolute drivel. If anyone on this planet thinks that LPX is 'overpriced' at $200/£139, then frankly they need their head examining.

     

    Robin...not certain if you are missing the point.  We believe that LPX is an absolute steal at $199 (USD), and that is what Apple wants us to believe.  When I bought LP9 at $199 I thought, what a great deal.  Two months later LPX came out and it was also $199.  If I buy it I will essentially have LPX for the price of $398 (USD), and now we are getting into the price range of some of the better DAWs out there.  And now I am in the position to be (in a year or two) three dollars shy of $600 into this software package when the next update arrives.  THIS IS NO BARGAIN.  But Apple set us up to believe that we were getting a bargain.  THIS is what we have a problem with.  Apple has set up a system whereby it is even difficult for us to warn others of their abberant pricing policy.  If I log onto the Apple store as a "learned my lesson" LP9 purchaser, I am forbidden to leave a "warning" review for potential LPX customers because I do not own LPX.  It would cost me $199 to warn others about this hidden pricing policy.  You are 100% right about the initial cost being well worth it...a bargain even.  But the unadvertised pricing model, which is different that the pricing model every other professional software maker uses, brings Apple prices well outside the bargain range.  That this deviation from the norm is unadvertised and enforced without warning or notice, and that Apple goes well out of their way to keep potential customers from learning the truth until it is too late, falls well within the realm of evil corporate profit-at-any-cost greed.  We who feel we are victims of this greed have the right to be upset.  We will vote with our dollars, but we are acting in good faith, trying to alert potential victims of the hidden danger.

     

    Frank

  • 59. Re: THIS is why there is no upgrade price for Logic Pro X
    seeren Level 4 Level 4 (3,050 points)

    ProTools 11 = $699.  UPgrade from from 10 = $299.  Had you bought 10 a couple months before the announcement of 11 you would be in the same boat.  Since you are bringing in to the equation one more upgrade cycle, in about 1 year you will have to fork over another $299.  That's 1300 bucks in a year and a half.