Allergic to aluminum cases

I have worked with macs for 30 years and never had a problems and don't even know how to use a Pc. I know macs inside out. Just purchased a new notebook pro because to old one started giving me skin rash and breathing problems. I find the new one is even worse so I will have to return it. Thankfully Microcenter has a 30 day return policy. I have 30 years of hardware and software I have accumilated and now it's out the window. Am retired and 71 years and now I have to learn the pc. I had done retouch work on Ell magazine, Goodhousekeeping magazine, Football and baseball trading card companies and many others over the years and now it seems all is out the window. I wish Apple gave us an alternative. I have learned that the condition is caused from long term exposure and is not reversable because the sensitivity builds up in the fat cells of the body. I am going to try a plastic keyborad and return the new macbook pro. If anyone has found a way to work around this please post. I still have all of my other mac equipment I could use if there is a solution.


I do freelance photography and retouching and now have lost my source of income after 30 years of learning the mac operating system, photoshop, quark and all the other software.


APPLE, I hate it. The joy of my life is gone.

MacBook Pro, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.1), use all of mac computers

Posted on Jul 17, 2013 10:34 AM

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Oct 27, 2017 4:05 PM in response to Csound1

make a cover that the thousands of us experiencing this can buy.... Pretty simple really... I'm definitely not the only one ... Most people aren't even aware that it is the metal that is the problem and they spend years frustrated from the DR visits with no improvement... Can you imagine what that is like? It'd be pretty simple for them to just make a cover that they could sell... Or change the way they expose people to toxic nickel... which is banned in Europe now!

Oct 27, 2017 4:41 PM in response to gwaven

Have the internal component of the computer removed and the aluminum sealed with a baked resin polyurathane or other topcoat that you can test out beforehand to see if it triggers your allergies. Many formulations are made to meet defense dept. specifications for durability and ingredients and can actually be purchased at local paint suppliers, like Sherwin Williams, who also sells other sealants for anodized aluminum that could be applied to the exterior or entire aluminum surface of your device.


This may sound a little bit of an extreme length to go to but considering the circumstances you don't have many other options. If you had someone disassemble the computer affordably, I'd imagine anyone, even you, could apply the topcoat. It might even look nice...maybe polish it with some 2000 grit sandpaper and go for a mirror finish. Matte finishes are passé anyway.

http://quicksearch.dla.mil/Transient/151CF4279A244731B2619E55CE33441C.pdf

http://oem.sherwin-williams.com/products/metal/military-coatings/

Nov 13, 2013 2:57 PM in response to gwaven

I feel your pain. I literally feel your pain. I've been enjoying Apple products since 1986 when I got my first Macintosh computer (512ke to be exact!). In these last 27 years, I have owned numerous Macs. I switched to the Mac laptops many years ago. I use my current MacBook Pro 15" every day, all day.


Several months ago I developed Dyshidrosis (also known as dyshidrotic eczema, pompholyx, podopompholyx, cheiropompholyx, acute vesiculobullous hand eczema, or just simply hand eczema). This condition causes small, itchy blisters on the hands (and sometimes also the feet). The skin becomes very thick and cracks. As soon as any of the blisters begin to clear up, several more reappear overnight. I experience a constant bombardment of blisters on the palms of my hands. Nothing over the counter or prescribed by a dermatologist has cleared up the problem.


One of the common triggers of dyshidrosis is an allergic reaction to nickel.


While I cannot be certain that I developed this condition after using my Mac laptops for so many years, the pattern of the breakouts on my hands match with my normal habit of where I rest my hands. My right hand is less affected than my left hand. I have noticed that my right hand is lifted up more often as I move around the keyboard and trackpad. During that time, my left hand palm is resting flat on the Mac's aluminum body.


To be honest, I cannot imagine not using my Mac so I'm going to do my best to cover all parts of it using one of the recommended products out there, such as possibly the InvisibleShield or BodyGuardz full body covers. I understand I must also cover my iPhone and iPad with full body protection.


I very much hope as the news of more and more people developing nickel allergies from the many electronic devices we use each day, Apple will offer products with bodies that do not contain nickel. It seemed like such a good idea at the time, but the long-term consequences are proving to do more harm than good.

Dec 8, 2013 1:22 PM in response to Robodisko

As I said in my post, I cannot be certain the Mac's aluminum body is the cause. I cannot even say if it could be any nickel alloy that's involved. However, nickel can be an alloy of aluminum, depending on the grade of aluminum being used.


"Aluminum Grades Series 8xxx


The 8xxx series (8006; 8111; 8079; 850.0; 851.0; 852.0) is reserved for alloying elements other than those used for series 2xxx to 7xxx. Iron and nickel are used to increase strength without significant loss in electrical conductivity, and so are useful in such conductor alloys as 8017. Aluminum-lithium alloy 8090, which has exceptionally high strength and stiffness, was developed for aerospace applications. Aluminum alloys in the 8000 series correspond to Unified Numbering System A98XXX etc."


Source: http://www.keytometals.com/page.aspx?ID=AluminumGrades&LN=EN


Steve Jobs called the aluminum being used in the 17" Powerbook when it first came out: "aircraft grade aluminum alloy."


Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iGTDE9XqJU (around the 5:00 mark)


Could "aircraft grade aluminum alloy" be the 8xxx series aluminum developed for aerospace applications or something similar? I have no idea. But it does indicate a possibility for nickel to be in the Mac's aluminum body.


P.S. Watching that youtube video reminds me of how much I miss Steve Jobs. Apple will never be the same without him.

Dec 8, 2013 2:02 PM in response to vickishome

User likely is NOT allergic to the Aluminum but to the zinc or copper alloyed with same.



7075-T6 Aluminum
Physical and Mechanical PropertiesUltimate Tensile Strength, psi83,000
Yield Strength, psi73,000
Brinell Hardness150
Rockwell HardnessB87
ChemistryAluminum (Al)87.1 - 91.4%
Zinc (Zn)5.1 - 6.1% max
Copper (**)1.2 - 2.0%
Chromium (Cr)0.18 - 0.28%
Iron (Fe)0.5 max
Magnesium (Mg)2.1 - 2.9%
Manganese (Mn)0.3% max




there are many 1000s of types of aluminum alloy.

Oct 30, 2017 6:35 PM in response to vickishome

vickishome wrote:


I feel your pain. I literally feel your pain. I've been enjoying Apple products since 1986 when I got my first Macintosh computer (512ke to be exact!). In these last 27 years, I have owned numerous Macs. I switched to the Mac laptops many years ago. I use my current MacBook Pro 15" every day, all day.


Several months ago I developed Dyshidrosis (also known as dyshidrotic eczema, pompholyx, podopompholyx, cheiropompholyx, acute vesiculobullous hand eczema, or just simply hand eczema). This condition causes small, itchy blisters on the hands (and sometimes also the feet). The skin becomes very thick and cracks. As soon as any of the blisters begin to clear up, several more reappear overnight. I experience a constant bombardment of blisters on the palms of my hands. Nothing over the counter or prescribed by a dermatologist has cleared up the problem.


One of the common triggers of dyshidrosis is an allergic reaction to nickel.


While I cannot be certain that I developed this condition after using my Mac laptops for so many years, the pattern of the breakouts on my hands match with my normal habit of where I rest my hands. My right hand is less affected than my left hand. I have noticed that my right hand is lifted up more often as I move around the keyboard and trackpad. During that time, my left hand palm is resting flat on the Mac's aluminum body.


To be honest, I cannot imagine not using my Mac so I'm going to do my best to cover all parts of it using one of the recommended products out there, such as possibly the InvisibleShield or BodyGuardz full body covers. I understand I must also cover my iPhone and iPad with full body protection.


I very much hope as the news of more and more people developing nickel allergies from the many electronic devices we use each day, Apple will offer products with bodies that do not contain nickel. It seemed like such a good idea at the time, but the long-term consequences are proving to do more harm than good.

I am writing to retract my earlier statement quoted above that I was experiencing an allergic reaction to my Apple products. In my original post, I stated that I had developed Dyshidrosis on both of my hands which I attributed, at the time, to my constant use of Apple products for three decades.


Now, 4 years later, I fully believe that my Dyshidrosis was completely unrelated to my use of Apple products (even though I remain addicted to my MBPs). I finally learned how to manage my dyshidrosis which I believe may have led to either a cure or at least remission of the condition. The entire time, I never once stopped or even slowed down my use of Apple products. I don't know what triggered the dyshidrosis; however, I no longer believe it was in any way related to my Apple products, including and especially my 15" MacBook Pros (mid-2010 and mid-2015 models).


I now believe it was merely coincidence. And it was easy to blame my Apple products since I use my MBPs almost all day, every day. While searching for a cause of my condition, it led me to consider possible allergic reactions to metals – and what metal came to mind instantly? Of course, the one that I used the most – my MBP. From there, it became easy to rationalize all kinds of ways that it was indeed the culprit (known as confirmation bias).


My current suggestion is to consider all possibilities. See a doctor, and if an allergic reaction is suspected, be tested to identify the specific allergen. Then, if it is factually true that you are experiencing an allergic reaction to something in an Apple product, you can take appropriate actions to protect yourself from ALL products with that allergen. Otherwise, you're just stabbing in the dark which may only serve to maintain ignorance to the real source and solution of the problem.


As far as Apple changing the materials used, I don't believe there is sufficient evidence that those materials are having a negative effect on a large enough number of people to merit changing it. Allergies are everywhere and can be caused by pretty much everything. We cannot change the world to avoid them all. Heck, one of the long loved staples for children's lunches has been peanut butter and jelly sandwiches—yet, some children are highly allergic to peanuts. Should all peanut products be taken off the market? Or should those with the allergy learn how to manage their allergy?


Therefore, anyone who claims to being allergic to any product without actual medical evidence is just guessing. And moreover, anyone who claims an allergy, but refuses to take their own personal steps to properly manage their condition, is being unreasonable. It is not the world's job (which includes Apple) to remove all allergens from the world. It is the individual's job to learn of their own personal allergic issues and how to manage them.

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