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  • douglas_goodall Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    It is my understanding that Microsoft owns a third of the Apple stock.

     

    That has always troubled me and if buying back any stock they can helps reduce rhe amount of influence Microsoft has over apple, I would consider that worthwhile.

     

    Even if Apple gave a ten dollar T-shirt to each of a million developers that said, "I'd rather be programming my Apple", it would be a drop in their bucket of money. Of course the stockholders might object.

     

    I have to ait O don't understand the dynamics of a company as large as Apple, but for the first te in a while, Microsoft is displaying real weakness inane key areas, and I think now more than ever Apple needs it's loyal cadre of developers to make the Mac and IOS platforms as strong as possible.

  • theseasons05 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    So, I realize I'm perhaps stating the obvious here, but clearly this wasn't a planned (be it announced or otherwise) outage... Unless the site comes back online as an entirely (literally) new site, there's absolutely no reason any outage/upgrade/maintenance/whatever should last this long when hosted by anything other than a low-rent backalley operation. Ironically, I'm in desperate need of OS X 10.9 Server DP3, as DP2 is ridden with bugs. Perhaps it's telling that their own site has been down for over a day and half--running OS X Server maybe???

  • etresoft Level 7 Level 7 (25,890 points)

    theseasons05 wrote:

     

    So, I realize I'm perhaps stating the obvious here, but clearly this wasn't a planned (be it announced or otherwise) outage

     

    Obviously you have no idea if it was planned or not.

     

    ... Unless the site comes back online as an entirely (literally) new site

     

    It is entirely likely, if not probable, that there will be no change whatsoever to the developer site.

     

    there's absolutely no reason any outage/upgrade/maintenance/whatever should last this long when hosted by anything other than a low-rent backalley operation. Ironically, I'm in desperate need of OS X 10.9 Server DP3, as DP2 is ridden with bugs. Perhaps it's telling that their own site has been down for over a day and half--running OS X Server maybe???

     

    Just because the developer site is down does not mean you can discuss beta issues here. If you are desperately in need of production-quality server software then you shouldn't be running the beta at all.

  • rufferto Level 1 Level 1 (50 points)

    This thread is full of speculation, off topic rants, and not much else. We may never find out the truth and the site will eventually come back online if you are patient.

     

    My own speculation as to why the site is still down is that after getting totally disgusted reading this thread the entire staff at Apple has taken advantage of the nice weather and has gone to Mavericks to enjoy some surfing and barbecue. I suggest you all get back to work, or do the same.

  • JonK.. Level 2 Level 2 (230 points)

    It is my understanding that Microsoft owns a third of the Apple stock.

     

    you heard something a miss then.    of the small position they had 15 years ago,  they sold all of it about 10 years ago.

  • HyperNova Software Level 6 Level 6 (8,135 points)

    The stock Microsoft bought back in 1997 was non-voting.

  • K T Level 7 Level 7 (23,700 points)

    Wasn't that a court ordered 'investment' to settle a case (that Apple won) involving patent violations by MS?

  • K T Level 7 Level 7 (23,700 points)

    I think that CNET article is the proferred MS version - rewritten history

     

    From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc._litigation#Apple_v._Microsoft_and_Hewlet t-Packard

     

    Apple v. Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard[edit]http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Apple_Inc._litigation&action=edit&sect ion=36

    In 1988, after the introduction of Microsoft's Windows 2.0, Apple filed a lawsuit against Microsoft and Hewlett-Packard alleging that Microsoft Windows and HP's NewWave violated Apple's copyrights in the Macintosh user interface. Cited, among other things, was the use of overlapping and resizable windows in Windows 2.0. The case was one of the "look and feel" copyright lawsuits of the 1980s.

    After several years in court, Apple's claims against Microsoft were dismissed, primarily due to a license John Sculley had negotiated with Bill Gates for Windows 1.0. The decision was upheld on appeal in 1994, but legal disputes on this topic were still ongoing until 1997, when the two companies came to a wide-ranging agreement that included Microsoft buying non-voting Apple stocks.[144][145]

  • HyperNova Software Level 6 Level 6 (8,135 points)

    c/net, what was I thinking?

     

    At any rate, the stock purchase was a good thing at the time.  Apple was at it's lowest point in it's history at that time;  it really was about to go down for the count.

     

    Funny how things turned out.

  • stuartsoft Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Apple doesn't deserve my hard earned $100 after all this. We've said it several times on this thread, Apple should have given the developers some kind of heads up. Even if this wasn't expected, they still should have notified the developers what was delaying the website and explain how they planed to resolve the issue and when the portal would be back online. Enough of this "We'll be back soon". People have jobs that depend on these services working and shockingly enough, even pay to use them. If Apple isn't able to hold up their end, the least they could do is let us know.

     

    And as soon as the site comes back up, hundreds of stubborn developers like myself are going to renew their developer subscription and give Apple the money they don't deserve. It just goes to show how much power they have over the developing community that they can have an unannounced 3 day outage and still get people coming back. I'm done ranting.

  • TattooedMac Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I agree that some way or another Apple should of given us some fair warning. I have just jumped in now because i have been busily writing code, because ALL documentation i need, i have with me, and if i had a question StackOverflow has been there to help me out as well. So i didnt need the Dev Portal Forum and i didnt need the Dev Portal at all. I will need it in a few dau=ys time, but patience  is a virtue, and karma is good in this house.

     

    Be patient and good things will come people. Stop griping over Apple, yes they havnt said anything, yes the big Tech story people cant get anything out, biut when has Apple been up front with us.

    Im waiting to be absolutley surprised and happy on Mondy some time ( Australian Western Standard Time ) so will be into the night for me, that they have made amazing changes.

    To the Devs that have clients to keep happy, im sure a nice email, with a link to the Dev Portal showing whats going on will help you in explaining why you cant do so and so, and im sure the client will understand.

     

    You all dis Apple, but honestly they are good to us, and the Support they give to us. Honestly, who puts on a shopw like WWDC and have that many engineers thetre to help you through a problem, or show you the easy way to over come it ?? Which Company, has all those videos at the Devs disposal, to go back through and rehash on things the Engineers talked about ?? Which Company has given over 7 Billion $ to us Devs for the hard work we put in ?? Which Company ?? APPLE so give ém a little leway, have a little patience, start on a new idea if you REALLY need the Portal, and wait to see what happens

     

    Karma is good in this house, and good things happen to those that wait

     

    Keep smiling and be happy

     

    TM

  • Spomo_Spathi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Hello folks,

     

    I'm new to the Apple Developer program. I'm just wondering, for my own education, is it common for the developer portal to go down? If so, how often?

     

    I understand that this current situation is abnormal (at least I hope so!) but I'm wondering if there is any sort of pattern that downtime occurs... Once a month, once a week, etc?


    Thank you in advance!

     

    -Spo-

  • HyperNova Software Level 6 Level 6 (8,135 points)

    In 3 years, this is the longest downtime by far.  Very unusual.

    The other times were short.

    They give plenty of warning via email before normal maintenance.

  • Spomo_Spathi Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Thank you for your answer. Appreciate it.

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