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Q: Grinding to a halt every 30 minutes

So, my early '08 Mac Pro now grinds to a halt every half hour while my hard drive clicks away for about 15 to 20 seconds. It's so bad that everything stops, even the clock. After the 20 seconds, it springs back to life and catches up with whatever it was doing. So far, I haven't been able to find the culpret. Is there a log of disc activity somewhere or something else that would lead me to this runaway process?

Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.7.5), 6GB RAM

Posted on Jul 28, 2013 9:35 AM

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  • by Linc Davis,

    Linc Davis Linc Davis Jul 28, 2013 11:21 AM in response to RonWise
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    Jul 28, 2013 11:21 AM in response to RonWise

    If the drive is making abnormal sounds, it's about to fail. Back up all data immediately, then replace it.

  • by The hatter,

    The hatter The hatter Jul 28, 2013 12:02 PM in response to RonWise
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    Jul 28, 2013 12:02 PM in response to RonWise

    Assuming energy saver is not set to spin it down, and that the directory is okay, and that you cloned it and have it backed up by TimeMachine, the next step is get a new drive, zero it, and clone over it.

     

    Then do a 3-way write erase on the old drive and use it for a spare extra system backup- only.

     

    I assume you use Recovery to use DU to repair the drive alreay and it passed and no repair needed. Good to follow up with a Safe Boot from there also.

     

     

    And move all non-system stuff to another hard drive. The system OS and apps should be only thing, and a small 3GB of your home folder library on boot drive.

     

    You did say "my hard drive" as if you don't have all 4 drive bays filled.

     

    System / user data / backup / other

     

    Use a Samsung 840 240GB SSD for your system. Nearly zero seeks, instant launching apps and files, 10 second to boot.

  • by RonWise,

    RonWise RonWise Jul 28, 2013 12:03 PM in response to Linc Davis
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    Jul 28, 2013 12:03 PM in response to Linc Davis

    Linc, it's not the drive. The drive is just making normal IO noises. But there's a process that's causing the excessive activity. That's what I'm trying to determine.

  • by The hatter,

    The hatter The hatter Jul 28, 2013 12:11 PM in response to RonWise
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    Jul 28, 2013 12:11 PM in response to RonWise

    Are you using Activity Monitor?

  • by RonWise,

    RonWise RonWise Jul 28, 2013 12:12 PM in response to The hatter
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    Jul 28, 2013 12:12 PM in response to The hatter

    Hatter, I have three of the four bays occupied. I really don't think it's the drive but I am wanting to swamp out the boot drive for an SSD. Problem is, I'm right in the middle of a big freelance project and don't want to jack with the system too much until that's finished. But that also means this every half hour lockup is a complete pain.

     

    I have used DU to repair the drive and it passed with flying colors. Still, the ridiculous IO persists.

  • by RonWise,

    RonWise RonWise Jul 28, 2013 12:14 PM in response to The hatter
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    Jul 28, 2013 12:14 PM in response to The hatter

    I am using Activity Monitor but it really isn't showing me anything. Or maybe I don't know what I'm looking for.

  • by RonWise,

    RonWise RonWise Jul 28, 2013 12:21 PM in response to The hatter
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    Jul 28, 2013 12:21 PM in response to The hatter

    Oh, wait! I think I have it. I had Terminal open with the Top command running. It just did the IO thing again and I looked over at the Terminal window and it was running the Purge command. I waited for a few minutes and manually ran Purge again and it did the same thing. Why am I getting a Purge every half hour?!

  • by RonWise,

    RonWise RonWise Jul 28, 2013 12:28 PM in response to RonWise
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    Jul 28, 2013 12:28 PM in response to RonWise

    OMG, I'm so stupid. It was Cocktail. I downloaded that program a few weeks ago and didn't realize it apparently defaults to purging the system memory every 30 minutes. I have it deactivated now so we'll see how it goes.

     

    Thank you both for your suggestions!

  • by Linc Davis,

    Linc Davis Linc Davis Jul 28, 2013 12:28 PM in response to RonWise
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    Jul 28, 2013 12:28 PM in response to RonWise

    Why am I getting a Purge every half hour?!

     

    Because you installed some kind of useless crapware that does it. Check your login items.

  • by Linc Davis,

    Linc Davis Linc Davis Jul 28, 2013 12:29 PM in response to RonWise
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    Jul 28, 2013 12:29 PM in response to RonWise

    How to maintain a Mac

     

    1. Make redundant backups, keeping at least one off site at all times. One backup is not enough. Don’t back up your backups; make them independent of each other. Don’t rely completely on any single backup method, such as Time Machine. If you get an indication that a backup has failed, don't ignore it.

       

    2. Keep your software up to date. In the Software Update preference pane, you can configure automatic notifications of updates to OS X and other Mac App Store products. Some third-party applications from other sources have a similar feature, if you don’t mind letting them phone home. Otherwise you have to check yourself on a regular basis. This is especially important for complex software that modifies the operating system, such as device drivers. Before installing any Apple update, you must check that all such modifications that you use are compatible.

       

    3. Don't install crapware, such as “themes,” "haxies," “add-ons,” “toolbars,” “enhancers," “optimizers,” “accelerators,” "boosters," “extenders,” “cleaners,” "doctors," "tune-ups," “defragmenters,” “firewalls,” "barriers," “guardians,” “defenders,” “protectors,” most “plugins,” commercial "virus scanners,” "disk tools," or "utilities." With very few exceptions, this stuff is useless, or worse than useless. Above all, avoid any software that purports to change the look and feel of the user interface.

      

    The more actively promoted the product, the more likely it is to be garbage. The most extreme example is the “MacKeeper” scam.

       

    As a rule, the only software you should install is that which directly enables you to do the things you use a computer for — such as creating, communicating, and playing — and does not modify the way other software works. Use your computer; don't fuss with it.

      

    Safari extensions, and perhaps the equivalent for other web browsers, are a partial exception to the above rule. Most are safe, and they're easy to get rid of if they don't work. Some may cause the browser to crash or otherwise malfunction. Use with caution.

      

    Never install any third-party software unless you know how to uninstall it. Otherwise you may create problems that are very hard to solve.

     

    The free anti-malware application ClamXav is not crap, and although it’s not routinely needed, it may be useful in some environments, such as a mixed Mac-Windows enterprise network.

     

    4. Beware of trojans. A trojan is malicious software (“malware”) that the user is duped into installing voluntarily. Such attacks were rare on the Mac platform until sometime in 2011, but are now increasingly common, and increasingly dangerous.

     

    There is some built-in protection against downloading malware, but you can’t rely on it — the attackers are always at least one day ahead of the defense. You can’t rely on third-party protection either. What you can rely on is common-sense awareness — not paranoia, which only makes you more vulnerable.

     

    Never install software from an untrustworthy or unknown source. If in doubt, do some research. Any website that prompts you to install a “codec” or “plugin” that comes from the same site, or an unknown site, is untrustworthy. Software with a corporate brand, such as Adobe Flash Player, must be acquired directly from the developer. No intermediary is acceptable, and don’t trust links unless you know how to parse them. Any file that is automatically downloaded from a web page without your having requested it should go straight into the Trash. A website that claims you have a “virus,” or that anything else is wrong with your computer, is rogue.

     

    In OS X 10.7.5 or later, downloaded applications and Installer packages that have not been digitally signed by a developer registered with Apple are blocked from loading by default. The block can be overridden, but think carefully before you do so.

     

    Because of recurring security issues in Java, it’s best to disable it in your web browsers, if it’s installed. Few websites have Java content nowadays, so you won’t be missing much. This action is mandatory if you’re running any version of OS X older than 10.6.8 with the latest Java update. Note: Java has nothing to do with JavaScript, despite the similar names. Don't install Java unless you're sure you need it. Most people don't.

     

    5. Don't fill up your boot volume. A common mistake is adding more and more large files to your home folder until you start to get warnings that you're out of space, which may be followed in short order by a boot failure. This is more prone to happen on the newer Macs that come with an internal SSD instead of the traditional hard drive. The drive can be very nearly full before you become aware of the problem. While it's not true that you should or must keep any particular percentage of space free, you should monitor your storage consumption and make sure you're not in immediate danger of using it up. According to Apple documentation, you need at least 9 GB of free space on the startup volume for normal operation.

     

    If storage space is running low, use a tool such as the free application OmniDiskSweeper to explore your volume and find out what's taking up the most space. Move rarely-used large files to secondary storage.

     

    6. Relax, don’t do it. Besides the above, no routine maintenance is necessary or beneficial for the vast majority of users; specifically not “cleaning caches,” “zapping the PRAM,” "resetting the SMC," “rebuilding the directory,” "defragmenting the drive," “running periodic scripts,” “dumping logs,” "deleting temp files," “scanning for viruses,” "purging memory," "checking for bad blocks," "testing the hardware," or “repairing permissions.” Such measures are either completely pointless or are useful only for solving problems, not for prevention.

     

    The very height of futility is running an expensive third-party application called “Disk Warrior” when nothing is wrong, or even when something is wrong and you have backups, which you must have. Disk Warrior is a data-salvage tool, not a maintenance tool, and you will never need it if your backups are adequate. Don’t waste money on it or anything like it.

  • by RonWise,

    RonWise RonWise Jul 28, 2013 12:31 PM in response to Linc Davis
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    Jul 28, 2013 12:31 PM in response to Linc Davis

    Linc's got it right! Thank you!

     

    Hatter, my startup disc is way too full, too. I'm fixing that right now!

  • by The hatter,

    The hatter The hatter Jul 28, 2013 12:48 PM in response to RonWise
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    Jul 28, 2013 12:48 PM in response to RonWise

    That crapware says also you need more RAM.

     

    http://www.macperformanceguide.com has some valuable tips on upgrades and optimzing and performance

     

    If you want to move things off the system boot drive and do it completely for home user ( I do not, I leave a small snub but I do move everything like media, data, projects, etc)

     

    How to relocate system and user data to another drive:

    http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4337http://chris.pirillo.com/how-to-move-the-home-folder-in-os-x-and-why/To successfully relocate your operating system, user accounts and data from one storage device to another, meet the following conditions: 

    • The destination storage device (SSD drive or hard drive) you are migrating to should be physically located in the same computer.  Moving operating system files from one computer to another computer using software not specifically designed for that computer can cause issues due to software, hardware, and firmware version mismatches.
    • Always back up your storage device with Time Machine or Disk Utility before you start.

     

    Less is more on a system for stability, performance and less trouble to deal with. Every widget, background process, you can have too many cooks spoil the soup and too much salt. Like even SMART tests of hard drives or probing sensor readings, go for the least and lowest needed if any at all.

     

    Often it is what is listed is symptom and supeficial behavior and not why.

  • by The hatter,

    The hatter The hatter Jul 28, 2013 12:52 PM in response to RonWise
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    Jul 28, 2013 12:52 PM in response to RonWise

    I have not used or touched Coctail in a decade, seriously. I have used Leopard Cache Cleaner (started as Jaquar or Panther) and he is good at being on the ball. But even Onyx seems to be "oh, its free" and popular but it hides the symptoms.

     

    They may have specific one-time uses for some troubleshooting or to make it easier than say typing in Terminal to get Top output sorted the way you want.

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