decouple Mixer from arrange window?

No ... 🙂

I mean ... the Organizing of the tracks.

Decoupling the order of the tracks.

So that I can maximize the nature of each widow.

Yes ... Up to this point (LP9) I've been doing All my mixing in the Environment.

The Mixer window has been completely useless to me, because

1) if the order is right in the arrangement window

it does not look right in the Mixer.

2) I use sub-mix and busses that I don't need to see in the

arrangement window.

But ... In LPX ... the Environment alignment is badly broken.

And ... it's using the old LP9 channel strips.

The point is:

I don't want the mixer to be in lockstep with the arrangement window.

They are two different widows and I'd like to maximize each one

without the interference of the other.

Remember, these are ALL simulations of real world objects.

If you have a real mixer in front of you, it doesn't "dart around"; it stays put.

All I'm asking for is that option.

When the -order- of the Channel Strips in the Mix is dictated by the order

of the tracks in the Arrange window ... it compromises both windows.

I don't need -ALL- the buss and sub-mix channel strips to show up

in the arrangement window.

And I don't want the order of the arrangement window to control

what I see in the Mixer.

On top of everything else ... there is something broken

when I use Track Stacking in the arrangement window.

The Mixer window will have "orphaned" channel strips

with no rhyme-or-reason.

There are a lot of options on what shows up in the Mixer.

How about the option to control the order of the channels

directly without interference from the arrangement window.

That's All I'm Saying ...

Well ... come on 🙂

Redefining the questions doesn't yield an answer in this case.

I'm not talking about the internal "plumbing".

I'm talking about the Appearance of things.

Specifically, I'm taking about the -order- of the channel strips in the Mixer window

and the way they are effected by the -order- of the tracks in the Arrangement window.

So ... I can see that the use of the word -decouple-

has been a hinderance in my posting on this issue.

Speaking strictly from a users perspective:

I want the option to make the Mixer behave like the mixers in

ProTools or Studio One or Reason.

In other words to put things where I want to see them

and have them stay there ...

And ... to put the tracks in the order that I want

to see them in the Arrange/Track window and have them NOT effect

the order of the channel strips in the Mixer window

Up to this point, I've been able to create my own Mixer in the environment window.

A mixer that far superior to the mixer window in layout.

But the Environment in LPX is broken

and I fear that it may never be fixed. Because most of the consumer-level-GarageBand

people don't even realize it's there or what can be done with it.

Never mind that it's the single most Unique feature of Logic.

I don't own ether of those programs.

But I hung out with the month free demo of each,

back when Logic went through that bad (mountain lion?) period.

And I got another free month with each when they recently updated.

Studio One defaults to a free version after the demo expired

and I just went to it to double check ...

Yes ... all I had to do was grab and move the channel strip in the Mixer

anywhere I wanted ... the track window remained unaffected.

Just the way I'd like it to be in Logic.

It was that easy, intuitive and a total none-issue.

Just tried it with Reason (which I do own),

same thing ... move the channel strips in the order that makes sense to you

and the track window is unaffected.

Same with PT11, PT10 if I remember right.

So why haven't I jumped ship?

1) Reason is a closed system and I love some of my plugins too much.

But their SSL mixer is VERY sweet and the way it handles stereo tracks is ideal.

2) PT - I'm not sure I can live with their Comping system. Even in the new 11 update

it takes a back-seat to Logic on that issue.

And in PT11's case, too many of my go-to plugins are still not available in AAX

But their Mixer has a great, solid look and feel.

3) Studio One comes close, but I never did figure out how to do parallel processing

without duplicating the content of a track. That's something that is super easy

in Logic 9 if you switch off Universal Track. It's still doable in LPX, using the same

process I used in PT. (send to a "non-connected" buss then pull the signal from that buss with two AUXs)

But ... you've gotta love Studio Ones integration of Melodyne ...

And ... Logic has the best automation; which is something I use intensely.

(anyone know how to transfer automation from one program to another?)

My demo for PT10 and PT11 have expired ... so I can't double check.

But ... that's how I remember it. It's one of the first things I checked;

because it's one of the things that renders the Mixer window in Logic as useless to me.

If they had updated the Environment I would not be spending time ... posting ... I hate typing 🙂

The Environment has always let me create a more dimensional and intuitive Mixer.

I just tried to upload a snapshot of my "Enviro-Mixer" ... but this posting app is not letting me.

And I'm not sure if it will let me post a URL ... but here goes:

http://www.btcoilproperties.com/BTC_Oil_Properties/Photos.html#0

Cubase is the one I left for Logic (way back)

I was thinking at the time that Apple would always keep Logic

way ahead of the pack. It many ways it is.

But if the Environment is allowed to "die on the vine"

And the Mixer continues to be ham-strung by the order of that track window,

I will re-evaluate my options for moving forward.

To test Cubase and it's new Mixer unfortunately

I'll have to order a eLicense key first.

By parallel processing I'm going to guess you are talking about not just parallel processing of a channel, but taking that a step further and processing the left/right channels independantly? You don't need to mess with UT for this.

Could you please point me to ( or describe here or in a new post) how

you set up parallel processing?

In LPX, I've been sending the signal to a "buss without an output"

and then pulling the signal from that buss with two AUXs.