Will a MacBook meet these requirements?

Hi. I'm going to start law school in the fall, and my school requires students to have a Windows-based computer. I'd like to get a MacBook and use Boot Camp. I'm not really technically inclined, though. I'm hoping folks here can tell me if a new MacBook with Boot Camp would meet all of my school's required specs, which are available here:

http://www.law.gwu.edu/AdmittedJD+Applicants/Notebook+ComputerRequirement.htm

Thanks in advance for your help (and for reading that lengthy page of requirements). And please let me know if there's any aspect of this that wouldn't work. As much as I'd love another Mac, I don't want to have the wrong computer.

Posted on Jun 13, 2006 7:46 PM

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Jun 13, 2006 8:06 PM in response to grohl

Look like they require the pc card slot for using the wireless pmcia card if the laptop is not have it built in.

and by checking the cisco compatibility list, airport and MacBook are not listed there :
http://www.cisco.com/web/partners/pr46/pr147/partnerspgm_partners0900aecd800a7907.html

But there is hope, I see Lynksys usb54g on that list, so you might use that usb adapter instead of pmcia card adapter with your boot camp windows to surf the wireless if builtin airport fail or incompatible.

Jun 13, 2006 8:26 PM in response to grohl

well, the requirement doesn't matter because what you will do with notebook will be very simple work like wordpressor, powerpoint, MS office, spreadsheet mainly in law school, right? you won't do graphic or something intensive work with it? I don't think so. I'm not sure whether this school does video conference with prefossor if they want. macbook is way to go. all files what you deal with is completely compatible with PC notebook even without using boot camp for windows XP. so go with macbook.

Jun 13, 2006 8:41 PM in response to grohl

I am willing to be that the PC Card slot is for an external card. The wireless cards on the MacBook should support LEAP just fine (my MacBook Pro, previous iBook, and PowerBooks all did also). The only problem is getting LEAP to work within Windows since Windows doesn't natively support it without additional software.

With the exception of that, you should be just fine. I would give them a call and see what the PC Card slot is for, and if the tests (or other windows-specific needs) are over said wireless network. It may just be that getting a cheap dell for those times would be better if you will be spending more time in windows then OS X.

Jun 13, 2006 8:52 PM in response to Kurtis Franklin

I just finished law school and I used a Mac all three years. I think the only thing to be concerned about is taking exams. Some law schools require that you be able to run software from exam4 or examsoft to take exams (some Electronic BlueBook software does work on the Mac). I called examsoft when the intel macs were released and they said they were going to evaluate the intel macs running BootCamp and make a decision regarding its use by "the 3d Quarter of 2006." I don't know about exam4, but I have e-mailed them (I need to use their software to take the Bar Exam). You should see if your campus has an Apple Campus Rep (it should), they might be able to help you connect with some of the IT people on campus and might have more information about the use of Examsoft or exam4 with BootCamp. Feel free to contact me off the board if you have any other law school/mac related questions.

Jun 13, 2006 8:52 PM in response to Kurtis Franklin

leap works fine on the macbook. I used it when i was visiting where I did my undergrad (my account still works there for some reason). It's a bit tricky to do, but only because it requires going to a menu to enable.

I wouldn't not worry about the pcmcia requirement. For a wireless card it makes sense, and it was nice in the past for upgradability. However since USB came out the relevance of pcmcia slots has been drastically reduced. Especially with wired and wireless cards built in. Additionally, today it is highly unlikely any new common standard will replace ethernet or 2.4GHz 802.11 wireless networks. New standards will come along, but they'll likely be backwards compatible for a long time to come.

As far as 20 gigs for windows goes, you can probably get by giving it less. Especially if you don't need to install software like office on your windows partition, and you keep personal files mostly on your mac partition.

phil

Jun 13, 2006 9:18 PM in response to Kurtis Franklin

I kind of have to agree with Kurtis on this. If you already had a MacBook and figured you could use BootCamp to run the required Windows applications and needed a PCI card for something specific then I'd be looking into what exactly everything was and whether or not I could get away with using the MacBook but since you don't have one I'd probably go with a Windows specific notebook and be done with it.

That's not to say that the MacBook wouldn't work. If fact it would probably be fine. But why chance it when you'll be in the market anyway for something?

Running a MacBook in XP is a disservice. 🙂 But if you're set on one then check with someone at the school and see exactly what and why the requirements are what they are. Maybe you could use one.

Jun 14, 2006 7:36 AM in response to grohl

The answer is actually down the page you listed in your post. It's about the software, and support. It says:

"There are two main obstacles to relying on an Apple at GW Law. First, our exam software, Extegrity Exam4, is Windows-only. It also does not work with Virtual PC, a popular software emulation package that is used to run Windows programs on a Mac. Admittedly, taking exams on a notebook computer currently is optional, but it is unclear whether it will remain that way in the future. Second, there may be more curriculum-required software in the future and at the present it is clear that such software will be Windows-based.

Beyond these items (exam software, potential curriculum-required software), it is not so much that Windows is technologically mandatory but rather that our systems are developed in a Windows environment in regards to design, testing, instructions, and support. These include the wired and wireless network authentication and security processes, remote access to the print management system for lasers in the labs, and possibly other services in the future. Success with these services currently may be possible on notebooks with other operating systems such as Macintosh, but students relying on such notebooks will be on their own (i.e., no Help Desk assistance) to achieve compatibility now and they also will be at risk for losing compatibility as our systems develop. The vast majority of our students would not be comfortable with this challenge."

Other than the usual software issue they mention, it's also about minimizing their support costs (theoretically, of course, since they don't give any hard dollars saved by doing this). The hard issues here are that they may be doling out special network access cards, which many corporations use, to validate you beyond just a password. These cards are in wide use in business, as another good way to identify the user. There are USB versions of these card readers, I have one myself, but the software might not be avaialble to make it work on the Mac. The fact that there is an Active Directory capability in Apple helps, as I bet that they have AD installed (the fact that they are demanding XP Pro instead of Home points to that, Home doesn't support AD) but doesn't get around access cards that don't support the Mac.

Soapbox:
Having run a large support network once, I can say that there is a cost to a business or school, in supporting more than one OS. It requires two experts at least, if not more. Every time you add something like a Cisco environment, someone has to test and support both platforms. One for UNIX/Mac and one for Windows. This might be one person, but as we all know, it's really hard to be really knowledgeable in both. There's a cost to that. A school that is really not a technology school (like MIT for example) might have a hard time justifying that. The other bottom line is that the Mac is just not in wide spread use in business anymore, as a rule. It's niche these days seems to be "creative" types, though I certainly like it's simplicity, interface (which MS is trying to get to with Vista). Unfortunately, People who make these decisions often make blanket judgement calls, like, "the students should use the computers that they will find in the legal world". Sad but true. I've heard it said by execs in my career. If you had a MacBook already, I'd try living with Bootcamp until you hit a wall, then buy the Windows box. If you don't own a Mac yet, and can't afford to be wrong (how much is law school costing you?) then, unfortunately, I would probably opt to get a Windows box. Good luck with law school! It will be hard enough not having to deal with a computer that the campus support folks won't support!

Jul 8, 2006 6:34 PM in response to grohl

I find it amusing simply because it's a law school!

a) The MacBook has no PC-Card slot, therefore it does not meet the requirements as listed. End of story.

b) The MacBook very likely meets all expected needs. If we knew why they require the PC-Card slot, we would know for sure. But this position requires a less strict interpretation of the written requirements.

We have to take this before a judge!

Jul 8, 2006 6:39 PM in response to Strap

The PC card slot is for a wireless network card. With an internal wireless card, not slot is really needed. The school just wants students to have wireless access to online information to support study/research. The hardware requirements are really "low end". Based on my experience with networks, I think the macbook will work fine, and Windows is probably not needed just for the research.

Jul 8, 2006 8:33 PM in response to Rick Auricchio

I know it says requirements but it's not as if they won't allow me enter the classroom until my machine is inspected. Having talked to current students there it seems that the only time you must have Windows is if you don't want to handwrite your exams. I plan on using the Apple for writing briefs and outlines, taking notes in class and hopefully accessing the network on campus. Also I wonder what other use they would have for the PC slot other than a wireless network card.

Jul 8, 2006 10:38 PM in response to Flyboy1830

Coincidentally I'm also going to GW law in the fall. I already have an aging Dell laptop that I would use for exams, but I'd like to buy a MacBook for everyday use. The only issue I can see is with LEAP. I've read that MacBooks have issues connecting to networks with LEAP. Does anyone have any experience with this?


I work on a campus that uses LEAP with its wireless network, and the Mac setup was like a 4 step process. In Internet Connect create a new 802.1x connection, type in the Wireless SSID (network name), your username and password, and click connect.

Underneath the other information the word LEAP appeared and it connected to the network. Compare that to the 4 page PDF document necessary to get most Windows XP users online.

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