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  • 15. Re: Clone Old HDD to New MacBook's HDD
    Kappy Level 10 Level 10 (226,760 points)

    Unrelated to this situation. Unrelated in many situations where there isn't a "dirty to clean" issue. If we follow your safety rule we would never make any change or do anything.

  • 16. Re: Clone Old HDD to New MacBook's HDD
    PlotinusVeritas Level 6 Level 6 (14,610 points)

    That doesnt follow at all, to wit that I dont recommend anywhere "not to do anything"

     

     

    To be honest, it's much better to make a clean install

     

     

    I recommend a clean install for likely the very same reason Mende or anyone else does.

     

    But I stand corrected for expressing excessive safety.

     

     

    QRH to you Kappy, thanks for the tip...., Im a Ham radio operator too, General KD4P**

  • 17. Re: Clone Old HDD to New MacBook's HDD
    Kappy Level 10 Level 10 (226,760 points)

    Note that mende1 is not always right. For example, the difference between using Setup Assistant and Migration Assistant. They are the same. But many seem to think they are two different animals, and that one is somehow safer or better than the other. But I digress.

     

    There are times when a clean install is best, but then times when it is not required.

     

    In this situation why would a clean install be demanded? Both machines are running the same OS X version. How would a clean install be better than simply cloning one to the other? One could just as easily swap hard drives. Obviously, I would not recommend this if the new machine were running Mountain Lion and the old one running Snow Leopard.

  • 18. Re: Clone Old HDD to New MacBook's HDD
    mende1 Level 10 Level 10 (89,570 points)

    Kappy, Migration Assistant and Setup Assistant are the same (I knew this), but it's well-known that Migration Assistant causes more troubles than Setup Assistant. For example, an user came here some days ago because he used Migration Assistant and his data didn't appear anywhere. The user folder was there, but Migration Assistant didn't create the access to this user, having to create an user with the same name as the transferred user in System Preferences. This doesn't happen with Setup Assistant.

     

    I learned this by reading discussions and Pondini's answers mainly

  • 19. Re: Clone Old HDD to New MacBook's HDD
    Kappy Level 10 Level 10 (226,760 points)

    I've never had a bad incident using Migration Assistant. Of course I make sure the initial conditions will not lead to any resulting mishaps like repairing the hard drive. It makes sense that if they are the same, then whatever mishaps might occur with MA, then those same mishaps would have occurred using Setup Assistant.

  • 20. Re: Clone Old HDD to New MacBook's HDD
    mende1 Level 10 Level 10 (89,570 points)

    That's the reason why this is strange, but somehow Migration Assistant gives more problems. I didn't have any problem with Migration Assistant too

  • 21. Re: Clone Old HDD to New MacBook's HDD
    Kappy Level 10 Level 10 (226,760 points)

    Then, logically, you can't say that MA gives more problems. You are simply assuming that because of all the migration problems you have dealt with, most were with MA. But if you dealt with 100 problems and 80% of those reporting a problem used MA, then you would assume that 80% of the time MA screwed up. But that's a basic statistical error. 20% of the time Setup Assistant was used and 16 times it screwed up - an 80% error rate. Conclusion? One is as good as the other.

     

    See, most users end up using MA. Hence, most of the time you are hearing only from those who used MA. Your conclusions only apply to MA and say nothing about Setup Assistant.

  • 22. Re: Clone Old HDD to New MacBook's HDD
    PlotinusVeritas Level 6 Level 6 (14,610 points)

    Question:

     

    Would you or Mende1 assume logically that since the PARAMETER for use of MA is much broader than that of SA, that that logically introduces a MUCH wider opening for errors / mistakes.

     

    Migration assistant transfers:

    • FireWire or ThunderBolt (if your Mac has these ports)
    • Wireless (Wi-Fi) or Ethernet (if your Mac has an Ethernet port or adapter)
    • Time Machine backup or other disk

     

     

     

    Or, what of Pondini as per:

     

    Pondini

    Setup Assistant

    Usually, the best way is to use Setup Assistant, when you first start up your new Mac.  It will set the new Mac up just like the old one:  all configuration, settings, users and data, and all applications (except newer versions already installed). 

     

    You can choose to omit some categories, but you can’t "pick and choose" in detail within those categories. 

     

    You may be able to use Migration Assistant instead, after using your new Mac for a while, but that can cause some problems, such as extra user accounts and permissions problems with files already on other drives, including backups.

     

     

     

  • 23. Re: Clone Old HDD to New MacBook's HDD
    Kappy Level 10 Level 10 (226,760 points)

    I'm afraid I don't know what this means:

     

    the PARAMETER for use of MA is much broader than that of SA, that that logically introduces a MUCH wider opening for errors / mistakes.

     

    Migration assistant transfers:

    • FireWire or ThunderBolt (if your Mac has these ports)
    • Wireless (Wi-Fi) or Ethernet (if your Mac has an Ethernet port or adapter)
    • Time Machine backup or other disk

     

    The above is equally true for Setup Assistant. I've used all of them at one time or another.

     

    As for what Pondini states it's true that Setup Assistant is best for setting up a computer only because you can use it before creating a user account. But this is not the case if a user account already exists and you are reinstalling OS X.

     

    Extra user accounts only occurs if you do not select the one you wish to migrate. It's not a problem in and of itself. The problem is not with the tool, but with the person using the tool.

  • 24. Re: Clone Old HDD to New MacBook's HDD
    PlotinusVeritas Level 6 Level 6 (14,610 points)

    I meant by Parameter,......since MA can be done later on, that this opens a hole of / for errors / mistakes / conflicts.

     

     

     

    The problem is not with the tool, but with the person using the tool.

     

    With perfect knowledge (or nearly so) like yours and a few others a problem is never encountered. To a much lesser degree, myself (I was always a hardware guy however, not software)

     

    Many countless moons ago you and mende1,....and myself developed an experience base (yourself much more so obviously!) to uttelry avoid conflics in transfer or setups, but 99.9% here dont have that knowledge base.

     

     

    My question, which you answered, was if you recommended more often to send such people "thru a smaller hole of error", which was my misguided attempt to refer to a clean install rather than a migration.

     

    You and Mende and myself and others can do some things without blinking,...or as you mentioned:

     

       I've never had a bad incident using Migration Assistant. Of course I make sure the initial conditions will not lead to any resulting mishaps like repairing the hard drive

     

    The conditions you know about that, likely, in general, most others dont know.

     

     

    kind thanks to you Kappy, and your broad frequency spectrum of Apple knowledge  (a Ham radio pun)

  • 25. Re: Clone Old HDD to New MacBook's HDD
    Kappy Level 10 Level 10 (226,760 points)

    I don't know about "perfect knowledge," but just a lot of experience. As the joke goes: Anyone can hit it with a hammer. It's knowing where to hit it that counts."

     

    However, I would not say I never have problems, but from my own experience the problems almost always arise from a mistake I made or ignorance on my part or failure to apply the Five Ps: prior preparation prevents poor performance. I left out the sixth P for obvious reasons.

     

    What seems to be many users' problem here is they tend to shoot first and ask questions later.

     

    Pun appreciated. And, 73s to you as well.

  • 26. Re: Clone Old HDD to New MacBook's HDD
    PlotinusVeritas Level 6 Level 6 (14,610 points)

    CQ there Kappy, .....  as far as "preparation" you mention Kappy, I have 32 redundant backups of my core data, and keep a cloned HD of every machine.

     


    Yourself, others, and I have experienced every possible error and mistake starting 20 some years ago, .... we get jaded on those silly "you never should'a done that" errors when it comes to computers.

     

     

    Or as Hanks said     ... - ..- .--. .. -..   .. ...   .- ...   ... - ..- .--. .. -..   -.. --- . ...   

     


  • 27. Re: Clone Old HDD to New MacBook's HDD
    Kappy Level 10 Level 10 (226,760 points)

    Oh, my. Don't throw code at me. I haven't used it in many more than 20 years. Been strictly SSB since I upgraded to General Class ticket. That was in 1955, I believe. I live in condos now, so, no antennas allowed.

     

    BTW, how long have you been retired in Sanibel? Are you far out on the island?

  • 28. Re: Clone Old HDD to New MacBook's HDD
    PlotinusVeritas Level 6 Level 6 (14,610 points)

    Oh, I use an online translator, http://www.onlineconversion.com/morse_code.htm   Like most I stick to my Icom 706markIIG and 2m/440mhz voice on a ducky handheld.    I never liked code much either.

     

    I retired at age 39 after the wife died of brain tumor, I live both up north during the rainy season (now) and 5 streets away from the lighthouse on the SE end of Sanibel.

     

    You need a fractal HF antenna in the condo, however enough wattage and the neighbors TV will pick up your SSB as interference, or at 25watts on 2m, the neighbor hears me thru his TV set.

  • 29. Re: Clone Old HDD to New MacBook's HDD
    Kappy Level 10 Level 10 (226,760 points)

    Sorry about your wife. That surely must have been a difficult time. Retiring at age 39 is quite a feat. It took me anotherr 20 years for that.

     

    Interestingly, I have an old Icom 706 - first model. I also have a Yaesu 847 (I think that's the model.) It will operate on 2m and 440, although I don't. No antennas anymore.

     

    So, you are a typical snowbird, while we are reverse snowbirds. FL when it's cold up here - 7 months a year. Except for May and maybe June it's usually nice and dry up here, by comparison.

     

    Sanibel used to be one of the nicest locations in FL 35 years ago. But its popularity hasn't helped. The developers did a number on it.