mpc swing templates

Has anybody yet? I will if nobody else does....

Of interest:

A few notes on MPC quantises, Logic's swing quantises, the difference between the two and how to achieve the MPC feel with Logic's quantises:

Firstly, the Logic manual doesn't seem to say anything about Logic's Swing A-F quantises. But watching what these quantises do to the notes, the 8E and 16E quantises are the even versions. In other words 8E is equivelant to what is sometimes referred to as 8T (eighth triplets) and 16E is 16T or sixteenth triplets.

8T for Shuffle, Swing
16T for Hip hop, DnB, House, Garage etc

Pulling back the Q-Swing on both 8E and 16E to 41% gives the equivalent of 8B and 16B, BTW. This type of feel can be found in Reggae and Samba. It's half way between being straight and swung. Subtle swing, you could say.

The mpc quantises are only good for 16ths
. They won't have much effect on 1/8s apart from making each 1/8 a little earlier, which brings us to the difference between using mpc quantises and using Logic's swing percentages.

Logic's swing percentages only affect the offbeats, which to most ears is probably fine, and to some ears is probably better because it's tidier. More mathematically correct. Whereas the mpc quantises affect both offbeat and onbeat, making the groove slightly ahead of the beat, in addition to the applied swing factor.

Try it yourself and see. Pencil in sixteen sixteenth notes in the matrix editor, then apply a 16E quantise whilst watching the notes. Which notes move? Only the even numbers - 2nd, 4th etc.

Now apply an mpc quantise. They all move. The even numbers (offbeats) move to a later position to create the swung feel, whereas the odd numbers (onbeats) move to an earlier position, which makes the entire groove slightly ahead. This creates tension.

Moreover, the mpcs are not "absolutely" precise in their timing. They would appear to have some error or human feel sewn in to their overall timing.

Of course one can apply negative delay in Logic to achieve the "ahead of the beat" feel (about minus 20 seems to achieve the same timing as an mpc quantise).

And the Humanise preset in the Transform menu may take care of the human feel aspect.

Great post.
However the teyou hmplale with the mpc works marvelous,
importing mpc template, does,nt wipe logic,s template is also their aswell.
What can I say best of both world.
It even allow your external instrument in using it own sound banks or logic,sound bank with midi, without, assinging nothing its just the way i had espect logic to be.
Records audio/and midi on audio tracks use-ing, instrument, without you have-ing to change nothing.
It A dream com true.
Hume, very informitive on that bit for the swing in REGGAE.
Thanks A whole lot.
Since then not one crash.
My beats now are so tight, man sorry if I am showing off,
Now I love logic so much more, now tell me.
Who needs A mpc, now,
Just KIDDING/ sample-ing/ bad.
Fr Blayzay.

I have send you the mpc template,
now send the check.
Kidding,
Have fun.
Fr Blayzay.

I use an MPC 4000 all the time and the name of the template may be MPC but the name is just about all those have in common...One can never compare the timing of an MPC to Logic - Impossible...


To add to Mr. Von Kempen....The Mpc has a human feel to it - If u hook Logic to run as slave to the MPC via Midi Clock - u can see that logic is varying the tempo all the time (Very Little) Like from 100 to 100.17 again to 99.987 and so on

To the guy who posted this : If u want mpc Groove - GO get an MPC

WORD
LOGIC NEED A TEMPLATE LIKE THE MPC,
since I used logic never have I felt so gooooooooood.
with mpc template.
now I am flowing.
I am all glowing
soon my platinum,
will be showing/
fr summer to winter.
I dont care, if is snowing,
K N O W, it all about knowing.
mpc template groves so fine/
time, drop me A line.
exact.
SAY WHAT
EXACT
MPC. TEMPLATE,
GOT TO LOVE IT, DONT HATE.

Just a quick note on that tempo fluctuation... This does not actually reflect the 'humanizing' you might hear from an MPC. I currently have Logic synced to Nuendo, and the tempo fluctuates all the time. I think it is probably a difference in the resolution of the sync messages. I don't imagine that Nuendo has a human feel to its internal clock. Indeed, even though the tempo fluctuates, the two remain in perfect sync.
This doesn't rule it out, I am just saying that I have never found the tempo to remain the same constantly when syncing Logic to other gear...
Best, Fred

You can download some at Logic Pro Help. You might have to sign up to the forum, but here is the thread anyway....

http://www.logicprohelp.com/viewtopic.php?t=1058

http://www.kenlamison.com/logic.htm

Also,

yahoo groups logic user forum has them within the uploaded files section.

The difference between the 2 is that Ken doesnt have the MPC60 templates whereas yahoo logic forum does. Ken's have smaller groove increments as well. Maybe download both and have them all in your autoload.

I had a mpc 2000 classic and just sold it. The groove templates are a must when making tracks with beats in them. The sutble shifts make all the difference. I never really could integrate my mpc well with logic and its transport controls gave me the Sh&*!s thats why I sold it. I am thinking now I buy one again after reading some of these posts.

Hw do you guys who own a MPC integrate it with logic? Also is there a SCSI 64bit card to use with my G5 and not have to transfer every sample to floppy or ZIP? This was another reason I ****** it off.

Cheer

How do I integrate ???

The MP does all the sequencing and logic acts sloely as a host for audio instruments...The MP is the BomBay and makes Logic groove like my grand ma' in a Soccer game

Wha???

LOL

I can't get the template to play and sounds, it is triggering midid tho. plz assist