Alan Goodall

Q: Can I delete  "/.DocumentRevisions-V100" "

Hi

 

This is another variation on the loss of storage disk space in Mountain Lion - and it has driven me crazy now for several days!  I have tried EVERYTHING from Pondini to (hope he forgives me - Houdini!) and so far I still have vast amounts of drive space 'lost' under 'Other'

 

I have been using iBooks Author a lot recently - and the file for my new book has become large.  I made space by moving some large files (Music etc) to another external hard drive) - BUT - despite following all the excellent advice given by Pondini and others I still get this .. ie only 25.81 GB available!

 

 

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I have used Omni disk sweeper - which tells me that I am only using some 70GB on my 250 GB Flash drive on my iMac. This appears to be just re User, Apps Library etc - as shown here

 

 

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I have tried searchimg with 'About this mac - storage' and at first this is what it showed ie 181.95 GB as 'Other'

 

Storage info .jpg

 

Now, after I deleted some duplicate files I found via What size is showing this!  BUT - the audio/music etc are still where they should be!

 

However, this is not my real problem - which is how to recover hard drive space....

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What size -  shows me the following detailed file info (this is an extract from a long list )

 

My question for the experts is this - why do I have such huge files under 'Document Revisions - V 100? and several of them?

 

Are these copies of my iBook files - which I thought I had removed?  What can I delete of these /documentRevisons - without causing a disaster?

 

How can I recover as much of the 'Other' as possible?  And, yes, I have tried all I can try as suggested by Pondini.

 

BUT - these 'Others' are behaving like Houdini - ie they seem to be able to escape from me!

 

any help please?????

 

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iMac, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.4), 3,4Ghz i7, i7 Flash dr, 8 GB RAM

Posted on Aug 22, 2013 4:16 PM

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  • by Linc Davis,

    Linc Davis Linc Davis Aug 23, 2013 7:59 AM in response to Alan Goodall
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    Aug 23, 2013 7:59 AM in response to Alan Goodall

    is this the folder itself - or all the following contents?

     

    If you're going to delete anything, delete the whole folder. Don't try to do surgery on it. You can click through the warning, as long as you're sure you're deleting the right item.

     

    Reboot immediately after deleting the folder.

  • by Alan Goodall,

    Alan Goodall Alan Goodall Aug 23, 2013 8:04 AM in response to Pondini
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    Aug 23, 2013 8:04 AM in response to Pondini

    Ok - thanks - you will see that I have asked Link for clarification re EXACTLY which folder )or part) of the .DocumentRevision-V100 folder I can delete.  If it is this whole folder then OK - but, as I asked  LInk will this also delete my last remaining saved version of my iBOOK ?  If so -  should I restore this afterwards from a backup copy?

     

    Re /private/var - this is now confusing as the list of file sizes goes folders 192.7 MB, db 809.2 MB and vm 4.36 GB, log 51.4MB - svereal others as Kb's and others as zero

     

     

    So where have all the other GBs gone?

  • by Pondini,

    Pondini Pondini Aug 23, 2013 8:17 AM in response to Alan Goodall
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    Aug 23, 2013 8:17 AM in response to Alan Goodall

    Alan Goodall wrote:

     

    Ok - thanks - you will see that I have asked Link for clarification re EXACTLY which folder )or part) of the .DocumentRevision-V100 folder I can delete. 

    Forgive me, but I think you're getting a bit scattered.  I've answered that 2 or three times.

     

    You cannot delete parts of that folder via the Finder or WhatSize -- that will corrupt it.

     

    You can either delete old versions of selected files via the Versions browser, or delete the entire folder.  That's it.  Period. No other options.  Ok?

     

     

    will this also delete my last remaining saved version of my iBOOK ?

    No.  Again, the Versions database contains the old versions of things that have been changed or deleted.

     

    The current file contains, well, only the current version.  It will not be deleted.

     

     

    If so -  should I restore this afterwards from a backup copy?

    No.  But, as always, do be sure you have good backups first, in case something goes wrong.

     

     

    Re /private/var - this is now confusing as the list of file sizes goes folders 192.7 MB, db 809.2 MB and vm 4.36 GB, log 51.4MB - svereal others as Kb's and others as zero

    VM contains system swap files and the sleepimage file.  Depending on how much RAM you have and how you use your Mac, 4 GB is fine.

     

    So where have all the other GBs gone?

    Probably in hidden files/folders and/or ones you don't have permission to see via the Finder (it shows zero in such cases, not the actual size).  Use WhatSize to find the big stuff.

  • by Alan Goodall,

    Alan Goodall Alan Goodall Aug 23, 2013 8:28 AM in response to Pondini
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    Aug 23, 2013 8:28 AM in response to Pondini

    Thanks again! The reason I asked for clarification re the DocumentsRevison folder is that I had seen - on another post - that someone said just to delete the contents.

     

    OK - message clear and will do!  Yes I have good backups (both belts and braces) via TimeCapsule and SuperDuper

     

    Re var and the 'big stuff' - as I said above What size shows 71.3 GB as Trash.  What 'trash' is this? I have securely emptied the trash.

  • by Pondini,

    Pondini Pondini Aug 23, 2013 8:42 AM in response to Alan Goodall
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    Aug 23, 2013 8:42 AM in response to Alan Goodall

    Alan Goodall wrote:

    . . .

    Re var and the 'big stuff' - as I said above What size shows 71.3 GB as Trash.  What 'trash' is this? I have securely emptied the trash.

    Earlier you mentioned a trash folder inside the Recovered Files folder, which seemed to be that size.  See my reply there.

     

    In the WhatSize screenprint, there's seems to be a .Trash folder inside /private?  Again, use list or column view to figure out the hierarchy.

     

    Both are different from the normal trash folders.

  • by Alan Goodall,

    Alan Goodall Alan Goodall Aug 23, 2013 8:54 AM in response to Pondini
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    Aug 23, 2013 8:54 AM in response to Pondini

    I have deleted Documents revision folder - rebooted and now have 105GB available!  That is a good start!

     

    here are the contents of the .trash - they are all  recovered .pdf files form iBooks

     

    Is it now safe to delete these - driectly from What size?

     

    trash from var.jpg

     

    latest var.jpg

  • by Alan Goodall,

    Alan Goodall Alan Goodall Aug 23, 2013 9:12 AM in response to Pondini
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    Aug 23, 2013 9:12 AM in response to Pondini

    This was the comment - in a reply to you in an earlier post - which made me query exactly whether to delete the folder or the contents.  Hope this clarifies my 'scatter'

     

     

     

     

     

    I assume that said the disk "appears to be ok"?

    Yes

     

    I used WhatSize to delete the contents of the .DocumentRevisions-V100 folder (not the folder itself). And I haven't had any problems. Have checked the folder and 2 days later it hasn't grown so hopefully it is solved.

     

    Thanks!

  • by Pondini,

    Pondini Pondini Aug 23, 2013 10:02 AM in response to Alan Goodall
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    Aug 23, 2013 10:02 AM in response to Alan Goodall

    Alan Goodall wrote:

    . .

    Is it now safe to delete these - driectly from What size?

    As long as you don't need them, yes.

     

    Very odd that there are so many of them -- that ususally indicates some sort of hardware or software problem, power failures, etc.

  • by Alan Goodall,

    Alan Goodall Alan Goodall Aug 23, 2013 10:32 AM in response to Pondini
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    Aug 23, 2013 10:32 AM in response to Pondini

    Thank you again - this has now given me 176 GB available - which is superb! Below is the latest photo grab from What Size.  The private now seems to be just the sleep image (as normal?)

     

    Now, I need to ensure that this problem does not keep repeating itself - as I work with large media files to create these Enhanced iBooks - which use large media files.

     

    I think I will start again - and make each chapter a new iBook to keep below the 2Gb limit of Apple for iBooks. However,  I am disappointed that this may also mean I cannot optimise the photos for Retina displays (as this takes each photo file size up from abou 3-400 kb for a 1024 x 1024 to around 30MB for photos of 5000 x 5000 ie as they recommend for Retina displays)

     

    In relation to your suggestion above - I do have other 1TB hard drives.So, should I use one of these to creat ALL my new iBook files (rather than on my 250 GB i7 Flash Drive)?  All my 'assets' are on another separate Firewire hard drive

     

    How can I avoid a repeat re DocumentRevisions and private/var (that you and Link have now solved) - for each of these new chapters on the separate drive?

     

    Any advice re choosing the best 'work flow' in working with large media files in iBooks Author would be greatly appreciated (I cannot find anything on the iBooks Discussions)

     

    I will also keep backup copies of the new iBooks files with my backup copies of the asset files - on the separate, external ahrd drive.

     

    thank you - for regaining about 150GB of 'lost' storage space for me.  I now need to use it well!

     

    Alan

     

     

     

    latest What size.jpg

  • by Pondini,

    Pondini Pondini Aug 23, 2013 11:05 AM in response to Alan Goodall
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    Aug 23, 2013 11:05 AM in response to Alan Goodall

    Alan Goodall wrote:

     

    Thank you again - this has now given me 176 GB available - which is superb!

    Yay! 

     

     

    Below is the latest photo grab from What Size.  The private now seems to be just the sleep image (as normal?)

    There's a whole lot of critical other stuff there, too, but yes, that's a reasonable size.  It will probably grow, but if it more than doubles, you might want to take a look.

     

    I think I will start again - and make each chapter a new iBook to keep below the 2Gb limit of Apple for iBooks. However,  I am disappointed that this may also mean I cannot optimise the photos for Retina displays (as this takes each photo file size up from abou 3-400 kb for a 1024 x 1024 to around 30MB for photos of 5000 x 5000 ie as they recommend for Retina displays)

    I don't use iBook, so can't address that.  You might want to check and/or post in the iBooks forums.

     

    And as long as you don't make any changes to them once they're in your iBooks files, the changed ones won't take up space in the Versions database.

     

    In relation to your suggestion above - I do have other 1TB hard drives.So, should I use one of these to creat ALL my new iBook files (rather than on my 250 GB i7 Flash Drive)?  All my 'assets' are on another separate Firewire hard drive

    That's one approach.  Access will be somewhat slower, of course.  That may or may not be significant.

     

    Another is, once a book, or some chapters, are pretty well finished, to delete all old versions of those particular items.

     

    Think about how long you've been doing this, with how many projects -- all of it took about 70 GB.  If that was a long time and many projects, then selectively deleting might be the way to go.  Even if it takes a lot of space, as long as you know what it is and how to reduce it (and solve the other problem), that may be worth it.  As long as there's enough free space for OSX to operate properly, it shouldn't matter.  No reason not to use the space.

     

    How can I avoid a repeat re DocumentRevisions and private/var (that you and Link have now solved) - for each of these new chapters on the separate drive?

    Those are (apparently) two different, unrelated things.  Address them separately. 

     

    There's a separate Versions database on each volume.  I suggested that thinking it may have been damaged, as a way to limit the consequences if you had to delete it.   So it might not gain you much, if anything.

     

    There's only one /private system library, on your OSX drive.  I'd recommend just watching for the Recovered Files folder to reappear.  If it does, try to figure out what happened that might have caused it.  Power failures, app or system crashes, unexpected hangs or slowness might be involved.

     

     

    Any advice re choosing the best 'work flow' in working with large media files in iBooks Author would be greatly appreciated (I cannot find anything on the iBooks Discussions)

    Try posting there, asking for advice. 

  • by Alan Goodall,

    Alan Goodall Alan Goodall Aug 23, 2013 11:56 AM in response to Pondini
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    Aug 23, 2013 11:56 AM in response to Pondini

    Hi

     

    It has been a pleasure to receive such help and advice from an expert - thanks again (and to Linc)

     

    I will certainly try these latest suggestions - and post on the iBooks Discussions.  I had a brief look earlier but could not find anything re creating such large media files for use in Enhanced iBooks.

     

    You are of course correct re the time = because it has taken many days.  And the last few were lost (re creativity) because of these issues - of which I had no idea!

     

    I am grateful for the increase in my education

     

    with best wishes

     

     

    Alan - still 'Pondering .... Pondini!"

     

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  • by Pondini,

    Pondini Pondini Aug 23, 2013 12:01 PM in response to Alan Goodall
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    Aug 23, 2013 12:01 PM in response to Alan Goodall

     

  • by Ellyenne,

    Ellyenne Ellyenne Feb 7, 2016 2:37 PM in response to Pondini
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    Feb 7, 2016 2:37 PM in response to Pondini

    Late reply, but I just upgrade to Lion.

    I can Delete the folder, and give myself read-write permissions, and the folder will show up in the Trash, BUT I cannot empty the trash. 

    I've set the entire folder to read/write, and applied to the content. 

    But, I get an error 22 when I try to empty the trash. 

    And,

    I've tried "deleting all old versions", and the file DOES NOT GET ANY SMALLER!  I removed 5 pages from a 10 page PDF in Preview, and it doubled in size. 

    I would move to something other than Lion, but my early 2008 Mac Book Pro can't cope. 

     

    HELP

    Ellen

  • by Ellyenne,

    Ellyenne Ellyenne Feb 7, 2016 2:54 PM in response to Ellyenne
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    Feb 7, 2016 2:54 PM in response to Ellyenne

    Well, it would not let me edit, so here is my edit:

    OK, never mine.  I was trying to securely empty the trash (my default).  It would not do that.  BUT, when I set it to just empty, the nasty files went away.

     

    BUT, my PDF is still 2.2MB, when it has half the content that it did when it was 1.1MB.  Yes, I deleted the old versions.  Yes, I used the default preferences to globally set the versions OFF.  It still does it.  This versions/auto-save is a very bad thing - even Microsoft made versions optional.

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