Moving notes by ticks in piano roll not working in Logic X - is just me?

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Moving notes by ticks in piano roll not working in Logic X - is just me?

Anther problem in Logic X - I'm used to being able to grab a note in the Piano Editor and move it by one tick at a time by holding down control and shift at the same time. It says in the manual that this should still be the case in Logic X but for me it isn't working - when I try this the notes don't move at all. I can zoom in so much the resolution goes to ticks with just control but this would drive any reasonable person insane after awhile.

I'd really appreciate it if someone could try this and let me know if they have the same issue or if it's just me again like the Drum Designer problem I was going on about in another thread.

Thanks in advance

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Posted on Aug 31, 2013 3:58 AM

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Answer 1

Sep 15, 2013 2:51 AM in response to Tony White

Hi Tony,

it's possible, but a little bit different (I've tried with drag and hold down control which didn't work for me too):

Just activate the nudge tool in the toolbar (see above - it's german language). And with the two arrows left and right you can move the note with the value you can choose from the flip menu in the middle.

Cheers,

Michael

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Tony White Author

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Sep 15, 2013 5:35 AM in response to emagic666

Thanks Michael - yes that's exactly what I've been doing. I looked at the manual though and it does say the old control/shift thing should still be there so I'm thinking it must be a bug. Interesting that you have the same issue. I've been discovering a few actually. For example in previous logic versions you could alt-click on the arrows in the audio bin to open or close all the overviews simutlaneously but that no longer works either.

Anyway - thanks again.

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Tony White Author

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Sep 15, 2013 5:36 AM in response to Tony White

Does Drum Designer play out of sync in low latency mode Michael?

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Sep 15, 2013 8:14 AM in response to Tony White

Yes, Drum Designer plays out of sync for me too. Weird, seems to be a bug and Apple still has some work to do I believe. The only workaround is to give the track a delay of around +1/32 or maybe +1/24 in the advanced region settings...

Hope this helps a bit, all the best,

Michael

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Tony White Author

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Sep 15, 2013 10:04 AM in response to emagic666

It helps a lot to know that someone else has the sync problem with Drum Designer Michael - thanks for letting me know. I started a topic here before and someone else said there's was working fine which makes it even more mysterious. Now I know you have the problem too I can start telling Apple about it - I suppose it will get sorted out eventually. If anyone else reading this has the same problem it would be interesting to here about it.

Cheers

Tony

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Pancenter

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Sep 15, 2013 12:18 PM in response to Tony White

re: Drum designer playing out of time in Low Latency Mode.

If this is happening is means DD does not have active delay compensation. Low Latency Mode is designed for one thing only, to reduce the input latency when playing a virtual instrument, specifically input latency caused by plugins that need time to do their work, like multiband compressors...etc. Plugins that are affected by low latency mode are temporarily taken out of the signal path, they change color in the mixer. LLM should only be active while recording, not on playback.

Curious as to your "Plug-in-Delay Compensation" settings.

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Tony White Author

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Sep 15, 2013 12:34 PM in response to Pancenter

We've already been through this Pancenter - there is definitely somthing wrong in relation to Drum Designer. If low latency mode is on and delay compensation is on it plays ahead of the beat. Curiously if delay compensation is off it plays in time in low latencey mode but plays late when in playback mode. This isn't happening with any other plug-ins including hungry third party ones.

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Pancenter

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Sep 15, 2013 12:38 PM in response to Tony White

Right, I think it odd that DD is "out of the loop" when it comes to LLM compensation.

You have tried the "ALL" setting. Also.. LLM mode should never be used for playback.

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Tony White Author

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Sep 15, 2013 12:40 PM in response to Pancenter

Don't you have to playback when you're recording? How else can you do it?

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Pancenter

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Sep 15, 2013 12:47 PM in response to Tony White

Sorry, I meant playback only. (after recording.)

curious as to which plugin(s) are being affected by LLM.

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Tony White Author

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Sep 15, 2013 12:51 PM in response to Pancenter

But you have to be able to listen to the track while you're recording - so everything has to be playing in sync which is the whole purpose of low latency mode. Whatever plug-ins necessary are bypassed. It's academic anyway as I've never got that far using Drum Designer because it won't play in sync making recording impossible.

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Pancenter

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Sep 15, 2013 1:09 PM in response to Tony White

Low Latency Mode checkbox and Limit slider: You need to select the Low Latency Mode checkbox in order to turn on Low Latency mode and use the Limit slider. The Limit slider lets you determine a maximum amount of allowable delay that can be caused by plug-ins when Low Latency mode is turned on (by clicking the Low Latency Mode button in the control bar). In Low Latency mode, plug-ins are bypassed to ensure that all delays (across the entire signal flow of the current track) remain under the Limit slider value. This is useful when you want to play a software instrument with several latency-inducing plug-ins inserted in the channel.

Everything playing in sync is actually not the purpose of Low Latency Mode. The problem shouldn't be there in the first place and Low Latency mode is not a general function used all the time, it has a specific and limited purpose.

I'll be able to check this in a couple of days as I have a client I'm going to be helping with LX.

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Tony White Author

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Sep 15, 2013 1:09 PM in response to Pancenter

Indeed - and your point is?

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Pancenter

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Sep 15, 2013 1:12 PM in response to Tony White

Evident

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Tony White Author

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Sep 15, 2013 1:13 PM in response to Tony White

Sorry I missed what you said after the quote from the manual. I've been using Logic professionally for more than 10 years so I understand perfectly what low latency mode is for and how to use it. The problem is with Drum Designer which isn't connecting properly with the latency settings generally.

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