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johnfrombanchory Level 1 (0 points)

Hi - since upgrading from Snow Leopard to Mountain Lion recently I have run into an unexpected problem (though I'm sure there would have been a warning that I missed). Some of my older applications, such as Adobe Creative Suite version 1, no longer run with the new OS. My plan is to install an additional hard drive in my Mac Pro (2009 dual Xeon version) and go back to my original software (Tiger) and install that on the new drive, then update to Snow Leopard with that software package. I will then, hopefully, be able to install CS1 on that drive.


Am I likely to encounter any problems doing this? I will effectively have two different OSXs running on the same machine, albeit on differnt drives.


Thank you in anticipation,


John Irvine

Banchory, Scotland.

Final Cut Pro X, OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.4)
  • nbar Level 5 (6,980 points)

    You are referring to 2006, not 2009 Mac Pro correct? Leopard suceeded Tiger in 2007. All models subsequent to the first 2006 model feature quad core zeon processors.


    But, yes. Boot from the Tiger disk, use disk utility to format the second HDD properly (HFS+), install it on the other HDD, and then update to SL. You can choose which HDD to boot to subsequently at startup.

  • The hatter Level 9 (60,925 points)

    CS2 was a PITA and was the only version I heard of in 2006, folks waited for CS3 to buy Mac Pro models. \


    You missed the hundreds of references to lack of Rosetta which drops support for PowerPC code but which has instability, overhead, less efficient, used an extra 2GB RAM and more issues with plugins.


    you can run 10.6.8 and have Rosetta, just no Lion or later. You can run 10.6.8 in a VM, not a great way. You'd be better finding a G5 though to run CS1 which is ancient.


    2009 had single processor quad-core, the 2006 had dual processor only with two dual-core (also like the G5 which was called "Quad G5") and 2007 brought a dual quad 8-core 3GHz which can be upgraded on a 2006 with 53xx processors.


    Upgrade your software, avoid the issues, a system that can run Mountain Lion has to be 2008 3,1 or later and uses a minimum of 10.5.2 or later only. Not Tiger (thankfully). 10.6.8 the recommendation is CS4 btw, not CS3 or earlier.

  • johnfrombanchory Level 1 (0 points)

    Sorry, it is a 2009 2.8GHz Quad Core Intel Xeon Mac Pro that I have. I used to have a G4 Powerbook (perhaps that is where I'm remembering Tiger from?) and it ran CS1 back in 2004. When I got the Pro in 2010 I was pleased to see that CS1 ran on it OK. I don't need CS3, CS4, etc as CS1 does all I need it to do! Although I am a bit p*ssed off that there is no longer an upgrade path as I spent quite a lot of money on the app at the time.


    So, I have my new 1TB hard drive and I'm going to create a (say) 200GB partition on it and then install Snow Leopard from my original software poackage. I'll then load CS1 onto it and hopefully be able to run it when I need to (not very often). The remaining 800GB I will use for data storage. Does anyone foresee a problem with this? I won't use it for Internet access so web security shouldn't be a problem (?). Something tells me that trying to go back in time might not be as straight-forward as I'm hoping!


    Any tips welcome.

  • Gerald Edgar Level 3 (615 points)

    My Mac Pro has 10.6 and 10.8 installed on two different (internal) disks.  I can boot to either one, depending on what I want to do.  So YES they are running on the same machine.  But not at the same time: I have to reboot to go from one to the other.

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 (1,995 points)

    johnfrombanchory wrote:


    Any tips welcome.

    Rosetta is an optional install on Snow Leopard, so be sure to check that box and IMHO also select Quicktime 7.



    The hatter wrote:


    ...Rosetta ... which has instability, overhead, less efficient, used an extra 2GB RAM and more issues with plugins.

    Most of that statement is inaccurate, but the amount of inaccuracies is irrelevant if the OP requires Rosetta to run his CS1 suite on his Mac Pro.

  • The hatter Level 9 (60,925 points)

    OP: My plan is to install an additional hard drive in my Mac Pro (2009 dual Xeon version)


    You can't run anything less than 10.5.7 on that system. There was too much confusion over what can or will work with your plans. Adobe recommends CS4 or later and does not support a PowerPC version or even CS3 (though people did) with Snow Leopard.

  • johnfrombanchory Level 1 (0 points)

    Thank you gentlemen I believe I have the information I need, i.e. it is possible to run two different OSX versions (albeit not simultaneously) on my Mac Pro on separate hard drives. No idea what Rosetta is as I've never used it and I definitely had CS1 working fine under Snow Leopard previously so why wouldn't it work again?


    FWIW, I don't believe updates are as good as they're made out to be. Adobe CS1 is/was a fully functioning suite af applications at the time, presumably the product of thousands of hours of development. It lacked nothing imho, so why should I need version 7 or whatever...? It's all a load of nonsense, I think! (just expressing an opinion about the frustrations of living in the fickle computer age my friends )


    Many thanks



  • The hatter Level 9 (60,925 points)

    CS1 was PowerPC


    Adobe took the bait and went down a dead end path with Carbon based


    Now they are fully onboard with Intel COCOA based code base and left that behind.


    CS1 is from the POWERMAC era

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 (1,995 points)

    johnfrombanchory wrote:


    No idea what Rosetta is as I've never used it and I definitely had CS1 working fine under Snow Leopard previously so why wouldn't it work again?



    Rosetta is the transparent emulation software that allowed Intel Macs to run PowerPC software.  It is an optional install in Snow Leopard, so you will need to check that box before you install Snow Leopard.


    Then CS1 will function on your Mac in Snow Leopard.


    For a brief time, Adobe was offering CS2 (also PowerPC) for download from their site, but realized that it was giving away something of value and stopped that download, unless you acknowledged that you already were a purchaser of that version.

  • johnfrombanchory Level 1 (0 points)

    Hi guys, I am back on the case again and have need of some final advice.


    To recap, I have a 2009 Mac Pro (2.8 GHz Quad Xeon) with Mountain Lion installed in the main drive. I have 3 additional drives, one for back-up, one for Bootcamp XP and the newest one is for the installation of Snow Leopard so that I can run some other software (CS1) that no longer runs on Mountain Lion.


    I have my original Snow Leopard disk and wish to know how to go about creating a dual OSX boot using my new drive. I have tried various things but haven't found out how to get the job done, though I believe it should be straight-forward.


    Can someone suggest a step-by-step instruction in how to do this?


    Many thanks, John.

  • The hatter Level 9 (60,925 points)

    The old "pop the DVD in, hold down Option or Command + C and just do a clean install on your new drive doesn't cut it?


    As for SL, it has to be retail, can't be the OEM gray disc from another Mac specific model.


    First, start up your computer from the Mac OS X Install DVD.

    1. Insert the Mac OS X Install DVD.  After it mounts, choose System Preferences from the Apple () menu.
    2. Choose Startup Disk from the View menu.
    3. Select the Mac OS X Install DVD as the startup disk and click Restart.

    About Disk Utility

  • MlchaelLAX Level 4 (1,995 points)

    The hatter wrote:


    As for SL, it has to be retail, can't be the OEM gray disc from another Mac specific model.

    Snow-Leopard YES.jpg


    snow leopard machine specific DVD NO.jpg

  • johnfrombanchory Level 1 (0 points)

    Well gentlemen, I have the situation resolved and it was very straight-forward. Here's what I did:


    Firstly, I was initially trying to install the wrong disk, a Leopard upgrade from Tiger. I though that disk was the one that came with my Mac Pro but I was mistaken, it was from the old days of my G4 powerbook. So I dug in a drawer and pulled out the original installation disks that came with my mac pro, and.... they are indeed the two grey disks similar to the second illustration.


    I had already partitioned my new drive and installed it in slot 2 in my machine. I then booted up into my current OS and inserted the grey installation disk for snow leopard. I then restarted my computer when prompted and was given the choice as to where to install the other OS, so I chose my new drive partition and away it went - installed without a hitch.


    So, I now have both Snow Leopard and Mountain Lion available to me at start-up - brilliant!

    Haven't found my old Adobe CS1 disks yet, but I don't see re-installation of that software being a problem.


    Many thanks, John

  • johnfrombanchory Level 1 (0 points)

    So, guys, I did the opposite of what you were suggesting with the two types of disk and it worked - sorry!



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