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10.8.5 puts drives to sleep... forever

Today I updated two systems to 10.8.5: A Mac Pro (Early 2009) and a Mac Mini Server (Late 2012).


Prior to the update I had "Put hard drives to sleep when possible" unchecked in Energy Saver, since I use both systems constantly--and drive sleep just results in lower performance, and more wear-and-tear on the drives.


After 10.8.5, drives will sleep (despite the setting), then never wake up. The drives themselves may spin up, but the OS does not see them. E.g., Finder will give a spinning beach ball when attempting to view the drive, any app with a file open on such a drive will lock up, Terminal will hang on ls of the drive, etc.


This is happening on internal and external drives on both systems.


The only way to get the drives back is to reboot.



Given the severity of this issue, I am restoring my systems from Time Machine backups to OS X 10.8.4.

MAC MINI SERVER (LATE 2012), OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.4)

Posted on Sep 12, 2013 7:17 PM

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Sep 29, 2013 6:25 AM in response to knowntime

Fixing disk permissions on the root drive did not resolve it for me.


While this is probably the most frustrating release that Apple has had since all of the OS X Server debacle, and leaves a lot to be desired from Apple's quality assurance, I see no reason to just flat out discount everything else they do, including an upgrade to Mavericks.


The length of time this has taken to get fixed is pretty ridiculous and Apple should be ashamed. They had iOS 7 lock screen bugs fixed within a week, yet this problem which actually affects real work is taking forever.

Sep 29, 2013 1:00 PM in response to de-cive

I actually thought 10.8.4 was pretty darn stable and for the most part I like Mountain Lion better than Snow Leopard (I skipped Lion, mess that it was). I do think not leaving Rosetta as an option was a mistake, though, although I've found replacements for most things now. I don't know about Mavericks since I haven't tried it or see much about it yet. I think stopping the "big cat" naming thing is a bad move for Mac fans. "Mavericks" sounds dumb (apparently you can't say a word that means "slow" in musical notation on here which makes the site that word), IMO, especially since it's in the plural form. It should just be "Maverick" (like the Western TV Show of the same name or the Top Gun character. A Maverick is an unbranded range animal and all prior versions of OSX were in the singular form so making it plural just sounds out of place). Adding tabs to Finder sounds like an improvement, but I find having dual-pane more useful. I already have both with "XtraFinder" so I really don't need an OS upgrade to get tabs. Beyond that and knowing that Apple dumped AFP for SMB2, I don't really know what's so big/important to make a major revision number other than to get another $20+ out of most Mac owners.


It's pretty obvious by comments from Tim Cook that he doesn't really give a flying crap about OSX anymore. He doesn't even use a Mac unless he has to these days. He's all for the iPad/iOS devices so I don't have much high hopes for killer Macs in the future. The new (and STILL unreleased) Mac Pro looks more like a garbage can than a computer and has no real internal expansion or PCI slots. iMacs are needlessly thin now leaving them stuck with mobile parts for the most part and game development for the Mac is still pretty darn dead (they could have at least made a way to play iOS games on the Mac without needing the developer to do a conversion; there's plenty of games there that would play well on a large monitor). But with the news industry raving how desktops are more or less "dead", what else can we expect? Consoles are a poor substitute for a computer for many types of games, IMO. You can add a joystick or gamepad to a computer, but you can't replace a keyboard/mouse as easily in a console environment.

Sep 29, 2013 1:33 PM in response to MagnusVonMagnum

MagnusVonMagnum wrote:


Ah, so we went from Cat/Animals to beaches? That makes even less sense, IMO. One would think they'd save such a giant name change for a truly groundbreaking OSX version like OS11, not minor changes that 10.9 seems to have.

They could just follow the clods in Redmond simply call it "Mac OS" and build every other version as pure garbage like Vista and 8.

Sep 29, 2013 4:22 PM in response to MagnusVonMagnum

MagnusVonMagnum wrote:


Ah, so we went from Cat/Animals to beaches? That makes even less sense, IMO. One would think they'd save such a giant name change for a truly groundbreaking OSX version like OS11, not minor changes that 10.9 seems to have.


Merely trying to provide an explanation. I know it's not possible to have a discussion with a know-it-all.

Sep 30, 2013 9:28 AM in response to jobalo

I hate to tell everyone this, but I have the same problem on computers running 10.8.4 as well. I don't think it's just a 10.8.5 problem. My problem started out of the blue a couple of months ago without any system update that I can remember other than the usual Camera Raw updates, printer updates, etc. that shouldn't really affect sleep.


The worst case is a Mid 2011 27" iMac with Apple provided SSD boot drive and 1TB internal HD. I have a Drobo attached via Thunderbolt that keeps spinning down whether the screen is asleep or not. Other USB & Firewire drives do the same. I have computer sleep set to Never and Display Sleep set to 10 minutes. But the drives can spin down while using the computer if not accessing the drive for a while. And when NOT using the computer for an extended period the drives will spin up and back down periodically while the display is asleep.


This also happens on a newer iMac, a MacBook Pro, and rarely on a Mac Pro. The Mac Pro may start doing it if it hasn't been restarted in a long time and some apps have crashed. Restarting it gets the behavior back to normal on it, but not the other computers.

Sep 30, 2013 12:03 PM in response to Softrack

I don't know if it's a 10.8.5 problem or not but I'm seeing my internal drives on my late 2008 (3,1) MacPro wherein the drives are continually being put to sleep, I hear the thermal recalibration going on and then it happens again. I think the whole SATA bus is getting pinged because I see the blinky on the internal DVD blink too. I've tried a a little bit later. I'm about to try setting the display-sleep to never but I'm tired of all this crap on ML. It may have Finally fixed some problems, but I'm not real happy about ML at all.

Sep 30, 2013 12:47 PM in response to jobalo

I've been away from this thread for too long, mostly because I believe that Apple introduced a regression in the power managment in 10.8.5, and it is therefore up to Apple to fix it.


However, I appreciate everyone's positive responses for temporary fixes including "set display sleep to never" and "while true; do date > wakey ; sleep 30 ; done".


As I said in the original post on this thread, I restored my Mac Mini Server back to 10.8.4 pending some kind of response from Apple. In the case of the Mac Mini, I have an external drive array that Mac OS X would lose track of after the OS put the array to sleep. That kind of behavior was pathological and I wasn't going to fool with hacks to try to get it to stop, so I rolled back the OS.


In contradiction to what I said, I actually left the Mac Pro on 10.8.5. Mac OS X would aggressively put drives to sleep after just a few seconds. Upon nudging the machine, the drives would spin back up--but due to the delay, some apps (including Finder) would timeout, crash or hang if they were using a file on the sleeping drives. Since I have a mix of SSDs and hard drives--with the OS on an SSD--it wasn't immediately apparent what was causing it. Obviously SSDs don't "spin up" and/or their return from a low-power state is much shorter than with a spinning disk.


Setting "display sleep to never" has temporarily solved the problem on the Mac Pro, with the caveat of course that my display won't sleep. However, even with this fix I will not upgrade my Mini Server to 10.8.5 without testing the forthcoming Supplemental Update first. I would also recommend against upgrading to 10.8.5 to anyone with spinning disks.



As an aside, prior to 10.8.5 I had various problems with drive sleeping that were almost certainly the drives themselves. That is, the drive firmware itself would cause a drive to sleep if it wasn't accessed within some period of time. However, the drives used much more sensible timeouts than what 10.8.5 is doing. Also, I have been able to reason with some of the drives with the utility "hdapm".


I suppose (in this latter case) if I want less sleeping on the job from drives I need to be buying drives specifically made for RAID or servers, and avoiding the eco/green drives.

Oct 1, 2013 1:50 PM in response to jobalo

Hi All,


Useful thread, thanks, but I still can't work around the problem.


I have a 15" MacBook Pro, Early 2011 fitted with two 512GB SSDs (Crucial CT512M4SSD2 512GB m4 2.5-inch SATA 6Gb/s (SATA III) to be precise). Not RAIDed or anything, but with OS on disk 1 in the original hard disk bay and disk 2 (spare, large data etc) in the space origianlly used by the DVD drive. I used Jason's script (thanks Jason) in the hope all would be well. Despite the script, the Mac still refused to return from screen saver.


Interestingly, the "wakey" data file on disk 1 (with OS, original hard disk bay) had a date/time stamp 15 minutes older than that in the "wakey" data file on disk 2 (which was right before I had to switch-off the Mac to restart it). So it looks like the OS drive is still being put to sleep by OS X 10.8.5 despite the script.


BTW this is after a fresh re-install of OS X, and with both computer- and display-sleep set to 1 hour (and, no, the Mac failed before the 1 hour timer). If anyone can suggest new approaches I'd be happy to hear them. I may try and swap the two SSDs in case the drive itself is at fault (Disk 1 is 1 year older than disk 2, as it happens). I'll post again if I get more data.

10.8.5 puts drives to sleep... forever

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