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The lack of Apple Service in Europe

Last april I bought a MacBook Pro 1.83 GHz during my stay in the US. I always preferred the us keyboard layouts, and since Apple claims to give a worldwide warranty I thought it would be no problem.

The first MacBook Pro had a dead pixel. To me that's unacceptable, so I went back to the shop. They didn't want to replace it, and said they also couldn't repair it under warranty. After making all sorts of trouble I finally got a new one. I was happy - for a short while.

But soon after that, I noticed how bloody hot the thing got and experienced the annoying cpu whine. For a 'professional' product, this is totally unacceptable. If I would have been informed about these flaws before I bought it, obviously I would have taken my business somewhere else. So back in the Netherlands I went to the local Apple Center. They tried repairing it twice, replacing the logic board. This didn't help at all. Then they refused to help any further as they said there was no official solution from Apple for these problems, so I contaced Apple Europe. They were willing to replace the machine. It's impossible for them to pick up the old one and bring the new one at the same time, so you don't have a laptop for 10-15 days. Thanks Apple. In Europe, they also cannot give you a version with a us keyboard layout. Worldwide warranty will result in basically a different product. Which is interesting, since the MacBook Pro was shipped directly from China (so I bet the one made before and after mine have us keyboards). We discussed the layout and it seemed to be similar to the us version, but on receiving the new one it turns out it is different.

So much for Apple Worldwide Warranty.

Anyway the new version has exactly the same problems. It actually got worse, because they gave me 1 GB RAM instead of the 1.5 I had before, and now I have a keyboard that *****. I contacted Fernand Kuijken from Apple Europe in Ireland, and he said I should have it repaired in the Apple Center I went to before. I told him that they refuse to repair it, so he said I should just go to another one and drive a bit further. No solution for the keyboard was given, nor any explanation why I have less RAM than we agreed. In essence, Apple stole 512 MB of RAM, and gave me a crappy machine that overheats, whines, and has a terrible keyboard.

I told him this was unacceptable, and that I demanded a refund. I have had 5 versions of the MacBook Pro and none of them works properly. Apparantly, Apple can't make a decent MacBook Pro. Mr Kuijken claimed that normally that's no problem, but since I bought it in the US I would have to go back there to get my money back! Well that's realistic. Worldwide warranty? I think not! After I told him that according to the worldwide warranty the consumer rights of the Netherlands apply, which basically means after three times I have the right to demand my money back, he literally said "i advise you to start a lawsuit". If this is the attitude of Apple worldwide then that is insane. If they cannot fix a product or replace it with a decent one, they have no right to leave the customer in the cold like that.

Apparantly Apple is trying to just keep repairing and replacing the product until you are out of warranty? This is my first experience with Apple, and a very dissappointing one. I though Apple meant quality and service, but it means crappy products that shouldn't really be on the market yet, and lousy customer service.

I was wondering how many others have had problems with the "Apple Service" in Europe? When it comes to refunds, do they always have this insane attitude?


MacBook Pro 1.83 GHz Mac OS X (10.4.6)

Posted on Jun 22, 2006 1:19 AM

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Posted on Jun 22, 2006 2:10 AM

Don't worry it's abysmal in Asia also. I have been without a working MBP for 9 weeks now; it's been like dealing with children.

Every time my machine has gone to a service centre it has returned with a new problem; apparently it is being replaced now with a higher spec model as compensation.

If Vista is any good I think I’ll have to switch back to PC hardware - I will greatly miss OSX without a doubt but Apple notebook hardware just isn't to the build quality and standard of a Sony, HP or Acer.

Although I’m sure a fanboy will pipe up with some useless dribble.
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Jun 22, 2006 2:10 AM in response to Arjen van Rhijn

Don't worry it's abysmal in Asia also. I have been without a working MBP for 9 weeks now; it's been like dealing with children.

Every time my machine has gone to a service centre it has returned with a new problem; apparently it is being replaced now with a higher spec model as compensation.

If Vista is any good I think I’ll have to switch back to PC hardware - I will greatly miss OSX without a doubt but Apple notebook hardware just isn't to the build quality and standard of a Sony, HP or Acer.

Although I’m sure a fanboy will pipe up with some useless dribble.

Jun 22, 2006 2:25 AM in response to black6

Service is great here in the UK. Had a graphics problem with my MBP and they replaced the logic board for me while I waited one lunchtime at the Apple store in Birmingham. Couldn't ask for better.
Yes my MBP gets a bit hot, and the processor whines 'slightly' on battery - but it doesn't BOTHER me one little bit. Its not a fault and it is after all a dual core machine, so what do you expect!
If you don't like it sell it and quit moaning.......

Jun 22, 2006 2:33 AM in response to BrendanD

Service is great here in the UK. Had a graphics
problem with my MBP and they replaced the logic board
for me while I waited one lunchtime at the Apple
store in Birmingham.


Things are much better if you have an Apple Retail Store somewhere nearby. Unfortunately, Apple only has those in the UK, there are none so far in mainland Europe.
We have an official Apple Center where I live (an independent dealer called "Ingenodata"). Theoretically, they should have certified engineers who can repair your stuff on location. Unfortunately, they DON'T. If you take your computer to the Apple Center, all they do is box it up and send it to Flextronics in the Netherlands for a repair. That takes even longer than having TNT pick it up and ship it there directly. Oh, and they charge you 50 Swiss Francs to add your MacBook to their database.

Whather is the matter with your Macbook Pro - it's gonna take at least 7 days to have it looked at or to get a replacement here in mainland Europe.


iMac 20" Intel Core Duo Mac OS X (10.4.6)

Jun 22, 2006 2:37 AM in response to BrendanD

Well that's a bit silly isn't it?

First of all, the fact it doesn't bother you doesn't mean it doesn't bother others.

Second, most customers expect a bit more from a 'professional' product of over 2000 euros than from a product of half that amount. If I'd buy a laptop of 800 euros that runs a bit hot, you won't hear me complaining.

Third, maybe you use your machine a bit different than others. For my work, both cores are often running at full pace, making the thing uncomfortably hot. I obviously can't use it on my lap, and always working with sweaty hands is also not what I had in mind when I bought the thing. And the whine make it useless doing creative work like writing in a silent environment, certainly because of the fact it constantly interrupts and goes on and is not very constant. Furthermore, it makes it useless for sound recording.

Fourth, selling it is a stupid idea. I'd have to sell it at a loss, while I am entitled to a decent product, or a full refund if a decent product is not possible.

So if you have a proper solution I'd love to hear it, otherwise your input is quite useless.

Jun 22, 2006 2:50 AM in response to dakis

that's not correct - I ordered one with a US keyboard
directly from the Swiss online store. I also got a
replacement for that one, also with a US keyboard. I
suppose you just talked to the wrong person.


Gruezi dakis,

That's quite interesting. I just checked the swiss online store and you can order
Hintergrundbeleuchtete Tastatur (US) & Mac OS (int'l English)

Interestingly, in the Netherlands you cannot order a US keyboard online. And Mr Kuijken insisted he can only order through the dutch online store. It seems that Apple's left doesn't know what it's right side is doing.


MacBook Pro 1.83 GHz Mac OS X (10.4.6)

Jun 22, 2006 2:57 AM in response to Arjen van Rhijn

Interestingly, in the Netherlands you cannot order a
US keyboard online. And Mr Kuijken insisted he can
only order through the dutch online store. It seems
that Apple's left doesn't know what it's right side
is doing.


yeah, this is really odd - in the Swiss store, you can only order the MBP with a US keyboard, but not the MB. In Spain and Germany (and in other countries probably too) the MB can be had with US keyboard...

Jun 22, 2006 3:01 AM in response to Arjen van Rhijn

Hi,

I just had a look at the dutch online store, I think there you can get an US keyboard. I dont't think there's a difference between US and int'l English but I don't know.

From the page (www.apple.nl):

Toetsenbord- & Mac OS-taal
U kunt een andere taal kiezen voor het toetsenbord en Mac OS X dan de standaardtaal van het land waarin u de MacBook Pro aanschaft.
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Mario

Mac Mini Mac OS X (10.4.6) Core Duo / 2GB

Jun 22, 2006 3:11 AM in response to Mario_MM

My replacement MacBook Pro is in fact the int'l English version. It's different to the us version. Although it is also qwerty, some other keys are in different places and the return and left shift keys are way smaller, causing me to miss most of the time. I guess this would have been acceptable if the rest of the thing would be good now, but well... It's strange that Apple can't replace a product with the same one under a worldwide warranty.

The lack of Apple Service in Europe

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