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Oct 28, 2013 12:03 PM in response to TJBUSMC1973by 570ad,I would love it if this was actually true and they did indeed provide "rollbacks"/downgrades to iOS 5/6. I'd even be willing to pay a bit for this lol.
TJBUSMC1973 wrote:
Sierra Eklund wrote:
one of my friends went into apple and said her phone held charge for about 30 minutes and that she wanted the old version on her new iphone5s, so they gave her it back.
I highly doubt that an Apple store provided her iOS 6 on her iPhone 5S.
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Oct 28, 2013 12:03 PM in response to Sierra Eklundby modular747,Sierra Eklund wrote:
one of my friends went into apple and said her phone held charge for about 30 minutes and that she wanted the old version on her new iphone5s, so they gave her it back.
Nonsense. iOS 6 can't be installed on an iPhone 5s. It came with iOS 7
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Oct 28, 2013 12:08 PM in response to TJBUSMC1973by adamdavid80,Might be because you do want to optimize your apps for the latest version.
Note though his comments regarded the functionality of the buttons, etc. What goes on within and the functionality of riposte (his app) could be a very different experience for the user.
Whille I was on iOS 7, I had to attempt to swipe a number of times to get to command center or a couple of the other places. If the iPhone were the size of a S4 - for example - all the screen swiping would work much better and more smoothly.
For me, the bottom line is if I call AppleCare, EVERY rep sounds exhausted and frustrated with dealing with the problems of the "upgrade" - the one I spoke with yesterday (when trying to figure a way around the problems with Pages and Keynote)(which, by the way, WDI was able to prvide more information than she was) said that her own father switched devices to return to iOS 6. I eventually was passed along to her supervisor (to get refunds of the iWork apps)(which by the way I didn't want - I wanted the fakata apps, and was happy to apy for them - so long as they work!) who also reiterated all the (somehow) unanticipated backlash with the problems with 7 (he named a couple of peeves of his own, including the new additional steps to forward text messages, listen to VM, etc).
Anyhoo...I was happy with Apple and insisted my mother get an iphone and imac two months ago. fast forward to today, I don't know if I'd be saying the same thing.
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Oct 28, 2013 12:12 PM in response to modular747by adamdavid80,I would be amazed if modular is mistaken on this.
Are you sure your friend didn't get an iphone 5, rather than a 5s? the 5s has iOS 7 pre-installed.
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Oct 28, 2013 12:11 PM in response to 570adby adamdavid80,Sometimes a new pair of shoes somehow have a hole or a scuff in them.
return the phone and get a replacement, you should be able to if you just got it. make an appointment and have them get the phone up and running. make sure it's working right IN THE STORE with the genius there at your side, and you should be good to go.
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Oct 28, 2013 12:24 PM in response to viperman17by Genevieve Kahrilas,I completely agree with the OP. Even if I liked the new look (which I don't), the changes in functionality in safari and other native apps are unwelcome, and native apps crash constantly (e.g. itunes + camera). I've had an ipod or iphone since the 1st generation and loved them all, and because of iOS7 for the first time I'm considering getting something else. Please allow us the option to revert back to iOS 6.
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Oct 28, 2013 12:45 PM in response to 570adby TJBUSMC1973,570ad wrote:
But... why would I need to troubleshoot a device right out of the box? That doesn't seem right.
Because the world is not a perfect place. Additionally, if this is not your first iPhone and you have restore a backup to the device, there may be a conflict with your old data and the new device.
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Oct 28, 2013 12:57 PM in response to TJBUSMC1973by raymond73,TJBUSMC1973 wrote:
adamdavid80 wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/app-developer-ios-7-commits-unjustifiable-crime-against-17 1514488.html
Yahoo News wrote:
we found it to be the perfect blend of new design and familiar functionality
Here's something interesting. The guy they interviewed is the developer of the Riposte App, which says in the iTunes store : "Unapologetically requires a minimum of iOS 7".
If he hates iOS 7 so much, why require it for his App?
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/riposte-for-app.net/id592316697?mt=8
He also indicates that text floating in air without boundaries does not indicate anything you can click. Hmmm, did you see the links in the article that can be clicked, yet are nothing but blue text? Same thing happens here with clickable links. People have used such links for long enough now that once they realize, through education, the such places are clickable in IOS 7, they should be OK.
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Oct 28, 2013 9:25 PM in response to AnneBuryby westvandude,My 4S on ios7 with all the junk turned off barely lasts 12-14hrs.
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Oct 28, 2013 9:40 PM in response to TJBUSMC1973by westvandude,.... the world is not a perfect place....
Isn't that why people bought apple products vs microsoft because apple stuff was stable and intuitive? LOL
Looked at my employee's Samsung Galaxy 4 today. We compared weather apps..... my ios7 weather app looks like a kids toy compared to the lovely 3D images of a sun or clouds he has. Plus he has the ability to have 4 or more different weather providers work thru the same weather app. Brilliant.
Makes iphone look like an xosketch.
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Oct 29, 2013 5:23 AM in response to modular747by Alfred DeRose,Man I have to perpetuate this thread but here it goes.
Sorry, you're wrong in this case Modular747. It is not "Boving excrement" that Apple allowed developers to downgrade from iOS 7.
As a developer, I can tell you in the past it WAS impossible for us to downgrade beta versions of new operating systems, however with iOS 7 Apple allowed developers to do so. Whether it was on purpose or a slip I don't know.
ReadWrite had a fairly straightfoward tutorial on how to do so but as they mention in an update to that article, Apple has since stopped signing past versions of iOS to prevent it.
That said, I AGREE with the one-way upgrade path. It's the best thing for the ecosystem whether you like it or not as a user. It makes innovation easier for both Apple and developers. Yes, it makes some users unhappy. Some livid as is evidenced here in this thread. But as they say, you can't make all of the people happy all of the time.
Though I have no problem running iOS 7 on my iPad 2, I know some people do. It's the same for iPhone 4S. In my opinion though, if Apple can be faulted for anything here, it's perhaps allowing "older" devices (iPad 2/iPhone 4S) to upgrade (yes, understanding the shortening upgrade cycle, they're old). But on the other hand, those same users now reporting performance issues on those devices would be complaining they were not allowed to progress along the upgrade path. It's was a lose/lose for apple but in the end, they took the rather un-Apple approach and gave as many people a chance to use iOS 7 as possible rather than leave some behind. I might have done the same.
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Oct 29, 2013 5:51 AM in response to Alfred DeRoseby Kenneth Collins1,The only thing wrong with iOS 7 Medusa (because it turns you to stone when you look at it) is the UI. Under the UI lurks a technically superior iOS.
We know two things about Jony Ive. 1) He is now in charge of user interface design, and 2) He answers to no one. No one checks his work. Given those two facts, my theory is as follows:
The design principles for hardware are different from the design principles for software UIs. Jony has no training in designing software UIs. In hardware, making everything as thin and as inconspicuous as possible is a good thing. In software, it makes the UI harsh, severe, hard to read, and hard to use, because UI elements aren't very visible and the UI is painful to look at. Jony designed the UI as if it were hardware.
The color choices in iOS 7 Medusa are weird, particularly the retina-scraping shade of green. The "tap here to return to call" banner has very poor contrast and thus very poor readability for people with normal color vision. My theory is that Jony Ive has a mild deficiency in color vision that he wasn't aware of until now. For him, the green is darker and there is a contrast between the banner and the text. (An optometrist can administer a quick test for color perception.)
The solution is for Jony to educate himself in UI design and to have someone check the colors in his work. He has to do this voluntarily, because no one can require him to do it. If he does, then when we look at iOS 8, we won't be blinded. Iff he doesn't, then we are in for nasty surprises with OS X Renegades or OS X Vigilantes, or whatever the successor to OS X Mavericks will be called.
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Oct 29, 2013 6:10 AM in response to Kenneth Collins1by Alfred DeRose,Ken, I intentionally left out any mention of the UI. Some people have legitimate usability issues but many complaints here are a matter of taste. It's too polarizing to have a logical discussion.
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Oct 29, 2013 6:18 AM in response to Kenneth Collins1by hot_spur,"The solution is for Jony to educate himself in UI design and to have someone check the colors in his work."
Hahahahahaha
Wow! Maybe you should propose that at the next Apple board meeting.