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Jun 3, 2014 9:52 PM in response to gail from maineby GryphonLA,Yes. You're right. You can. You always could... on OS. I never said you COULDN'T downgrade the OS, Gail.
I WAS pointing out the difference between OSX and iOS7. The point of this thread was that you couldn't downgrade your phone operating system. And you had mentioned in an earlier post that you were disappointed that Mavericks didn't got as far in it's Iveification and were looking forward to Yosemite. Hence the comparison.
I myself am still not wild about the bland flat look, but I'm not going to abandon my electronics because of it. I'll continue to use them DESPITE the (in my opinion) dull and characterless iconography and hope that options will arise to address them, like the updates that came out inthe months following the implementaion of 7 that addressed some of the things people felt strongly about.
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Jun 3, 2014 10:23 PM in response to GryphonLAby gail from maine,This is the sentence in your post that confused me (italicized portion):
GryphonLA wrote:
The good thing about the Yosemite upgrade is that the end-user will have the CHOICE this time of whether to download it or not, instead of having it forced to them like iOS7, wasting drive space until it is installed. And if they've backed-up properly, they'll be able to revert to an earlier version if they don't like it once they've tried it.
Not sure who posted the comment about Mavericks and Yosemite, but it wasn't I. I'm still running Mountain Lion and have no intention of upgrading anytime soon....
And really, comparing the "difference" between OSX and iOS is Apples and Oranges (double entendre intended ). As I indicated, it is not unusual for device-level operating systems to be much more difficult, if not impossible to downgrade. This is not unique to Apple. Whereas, downgrading a computer OS is pretty much universally supported.
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Jun 4, 2014 6:44 AM in response to IdrisSeabrightby Britt Reid,I really didn't care how Note looked. I cared how it worked. And the new version stopped working for me. The first time I tried it with ios 7, and the address I had typed into notes became unreadable because some moron thought a skinny font, in bright yellow, on a bright white background would be a good choice from a legibility perspective. Especially outdoors, in bright sunlight, where I use my phone a LOT. The issue was one of workability and usability. Low contrast does not work well on a device that is used in all situations, not just in an office or a dark room.
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Jun 4, 2014 6:58 AM in response to IdrisSeabrightby Britt Reid,But ios7 is still littered with skeuomorphs. It's not like they disappeared. They were just changed. It was not the removal of skeuomorphs that was the core of Jony Ives changes. It was the move to flat design, as used in the competition.
To me, it smacked of Apple losing its direction, because instead of leading the market and being unique to themselves, they followed with what Android and Windows phones was doing by going flat. Being "in" and "with it".
Guess what? There isn't any real depth to ios 7. Nor is there any frosted glass. Fake frosted glass is just as dumb as fake yellow note pads.
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Jun 4, 2014 7:04 AM in response to gail from maineby Britt Reid,Oh please. Change women to men in his post and his issue still stands. There have been numerous studies done on how attractiveness effects people in all ways, most of which are very positive. Being attractive has always been a great bonus in life, whether it in personal relationships or ones professional life. It also works, as he or maybe it's she, we don't know, indicated, with products in the marketplace.
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Jun 4, 2014 8:22 AM in response to gail from maineby GryphonLA,Oops, Gail, you are right. it was Meg who had said that and I mixed it up in the flood of comments i was reading. I apologize for the mistake as i try to address comments directly and respond to the correct poster. Color me red!
And I see that I wasn't as clear as I thought in my comment too. Syntax flying ALL over the place in that sentence, lol!
My main concern with the "one-environment" view is that Apple will continue to "dumb-down" the products so that everything will be able to run on the least powerful platform (a la the Pages simplification last year for iPhone/iPad compatibility), basically reducing my iMac to a 21" iphone that can't make calls. But that's a topic for another thread.
Thanks again for the chance to clarify!
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Jun 4, 2014 8:56 AM in response to Ralph Landry1by Ilovefruit,Ralph Landry1 wrote:
There was the one we both responded to earlier, Meg...those always come out of the woodwork, and not much we can do about helping.
How about the stats from WWDC yesterday: 97% satisfaction rating for iOS 7
500M iPhones sold, >800M iOS Devices.
I wouldn't be surpised that 97% figures comes from the 'Appleologists' brigade. Otherwise is scary to think so many people have no taste! Haven't seen iOS8 but here's hoping it will be an improvement to the iOS7 rubbish that was foisted upon unsuspecting users.
PS. Samsung - 31% market share. Apple - 15.6% market share (worldwide smartphone sales 2013) so stop trying to crow on about numbers.
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Jun 4, 2014 9:16 AM in response to Ilovefruitby deggie,Actually that figure was probably a random sample and the question was of the sort, "Overall, how satisfied are you with iOS 7" and then responses of Very Dissatisfied, Somewhat Dissatisfied, Satisified, Somewhat Satisfied, Very Satisfied. They took the combined percentages of the last 3.
Just because you dislike it does not mean others have bad taste.
Samsung does much better worldwide with phone sales because of lower priced models in 3rd world countries and their very strong presence is Asia. But Apple still exceeded their sales estimates by quite a bit.
But Android (not just Samsung) does dominate the malware market and has for some time, even before they had a larger share of the market.
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Jun 4, 2014 9:44 AM in response to deggieby Ilovefruit,Just because you dislike it does not mean others have bad taste.
Oh please - it's not a matter of liking it - rather, it suffers from many poor design decisions.
I suppose most people have no clue about good/bad design so I should have said ".. are clueless about design..." rather than ".. have poor taste"
But Android (not just Samsung) does dominate the malware market and has for some time, even before they had a larger share of the market.
Who's talking about malware here? It is about design. Are you saying iPhones are good for scaredy-cats?
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Jun 4, 2014 9:51 AM in response to Ilovefruitby deggie,I know quite a few people with design companies and they love the new format and say Apple made wise design decisions. I also have a background with design and also like the new UI in iOS 7. So you mean you as a designer think other designers, and Apple are clueless about design? Is that what you meant?
Since you brought up extraneous numbers I thought I would just throw another one in there. And yes, I am saying the iPhone is the best choice for those concerned about security.
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Jun 4, 2014 11:03 AM in response to Ilovefruitby IdrisSeabright,Ilovefruit wrote:
Just because you dislike it does not mean others have bad taste.
Oh please - it's not a matter of liking it - rather, it suffers from many poor design decisions.
I think you forgot the "in my opinion" part of that last sentence.
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Jun 4, 2014 11:26 AM in response to IdrisSeabrightby Ilovefruit,I think you forgot the "in my opinion" part of that last sentence.
Nope
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Jun 4, 2014 11:32 AM in response to Ilovefruitby Chris CA,Ilovefruit wrote:
I think you forgot the "in my opinion" part of that last sentence.
Nope
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Jun 4, 2014 11:47 AM in response to Chris CAby modular747,No, he didn't forget. He doesn't post opinions, since all things as they occur to him are the Truth by definition. Besides, "opinion" doesn't appear in the scripts be receives.
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Jun 4, 2014 12:01 PM in response to deggieby lkrupp,deggie wrote:
I know quite a few people with design companies and they love the new format and say Apple made wise design decisions. I also have a background with design and also like the new UI in iOS 7. So you mean you as a designer think other designers, and Apple are clueless about design? Is that what you meant?
Since you brought up extraneous numbers I thought I would just throw another one in there. And yes, I am saying the iPhone is the best choice for those concerned about security.
And on top of that Tim Cook pointed out that iOS 7 has a 97% customer satisfaction rating by three different third party surveys.