No Hard Drive Space...0 kb available

Folks - I've tried a few of past replies to this issue to no avail...anyhow earlier this week I upgraded to 10.4.6 from 10.3.9. Yesterday my G4 Powerbook 1.25 GHz with 1.25 GB of RAM was locked up and I hard to hold the power key down to shutdown and then restart.

I know have 0 kb available on my hard drive. As I delete files I get no space back. I've rebooted from the OSX install CD and used disk utilities there to repair disk (twice) no repairs were necessary either time. I then booted from the hard drive and repaired permissions.

Still zero kb available. I went to download WHATSIZE but the computer has no space so download couldn't create the file.

I had 12 GB of space on my hard drive out of 74.52 GB size available when I upgraded.

Any suggestions greatly appreciated!

Thanks,

Dan

G4 portable 1.25 GHz Mac OS X (10.4.6)

Posted on Jun 23, 2006 7:13 AM

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Jun 23, 2006 10:19 AM in response to Absolutely Digital

Dan,

Your system is definitely suffering from the lack of free space.

Try starting up in Safe Mode, and then attempt to delete extraneous files/data. Safe Boot is a special way to start Mac OS X 10.2 or later when troubleshooting. Safe Mode is the state Mac OS X is in after a Safe Boot.

Freeing space on your Mac OS X startup disk, by Dr. Smoke will help you identify what files you can safely remove.

You probably have a Previous Systems folder that you can eliminate.

;~)
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Jun 23, 2006 5:18 PM in response to Absolutely Digital

The best solution here I think is to find someone with another Mac, and use Target Disk Mode to attach your Mac to theirs:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58583

It will be exceedingly slow, and will eventually work. Add your Mac which is in Target Disk Mode to Apple menu -> System Preferences -> Spotlight -> Privacy to speed it along. Then locate the various log folders on your machine's drive which you can trash the log files. They are in the Hard drive -> Library -> Logs, Users -> Yourname -> Library -> Logs and System -> Library -> Logs.

Backup your data to a larger hard drive as my FAQ explains:

http://www.macmaps.com/backup.html

Then once your internal, hard drive has at least 2 GB free, dismount it (drag its icon to the trash), and see if you can restart it. If it won't restart, repair its directory as my FAQ explains:

http://www.macmaps.com/directoryfaq.html

Jun 24, 2006 5:38 PM in response to arielfr

arielfr,
I believe all the questions are answered here. Please read it over more carefully. If you can't find the answer, please click on Post a New topic at the beginning of the board:

http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=752&start=0

And someone will be more than happy to help you out. I know these long threads can be hard to read through. I don't think you have any malware, since none has proven to work yet for the Mac.

Jun 23, 2006 10:47 AM in response to Adrian Clarke1

Thanks for the suggestions to date. Yes I have emptied the trash on numerous occassions. I have deleted some files and it's wierd in that as I move files to trash the system says it needs to delete them immediately. I've only had this occur in the past when deleting things off of my .mac account. It seems odd.

"Manually" adding up folders on my harddisk is only 62.5 GB, the disk is listed as 74.5 GB drive, do you really need this much free space? Also, why was it ok initially and then after the hard reboot I have no space left. This evening I'm going to remove quite a few photos from the hard drive and hopefully create some space to download so trouble shooting tools linked above.

Applications - 7.73 GB
Library - 11.38 GB
Adobe PS 6 - 106 MB
Documents - 3.97 GB
Applications OS 9 - 290 MB
Users - 37.25 GB (lots of photos! 😉
OSX system - 1.57 GB
OS9 system - 193 MB

Sorry for mixing the units...one other thing that is wierd is when I shut down and then boot up the start up is extremely fast...a fraction of the time previous OS X would take...it something being cached somewhere or is OS X 10.4.6 just this quick booting up?

Thanks again, more ideas leads sincerely appreciated!

Dan

Jun 23, 2006 11:04 AM in response to Absolutely Digital

Dan,

Files dragged to the Trash "will be deleted immediately" alert:
If you are informed that files dragged to the Trash "will be deleted immediately," there are three possible causes:
1. You are either no longer the Owner of your Home folder, do not have Access of Read & Write to such, or both.
2. Your account's Trash, i.e. your ~/.Trash directory, has been deleted.
3. You no longer are the owner of your account's Trash.
OS X needs 10-15% Free Space for virtual memory to operate effectively without the threat of losing files/data.

;~)
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Jun 23, 2006 11:09 AM in response to Absolutely Digital

Earlier this morning I ran the instructions in terminal and deleted one invisible directory. I just ran it again and all I get is a reply of the hard drive name.

Opening up console the "Virex" log was already open, it has tons of entries from 6/19...

the console directory comes up doesn't exist

the system console has a lot of entries from this morning...it's all gibberish to me. If someone would like this e-mailed or a portion of either Virex or system copied and pasted I could do that. Thanks,

Dan

Jun 23, 2006 11:27 AM in response to Ferd II

Ferd II - thanks for the reply. I didn't have read / write rights to the hard drive. I changed this to read / write for me. It somehow got switched to system.

After switching to read/write rights, I've rebooted, confirmed I have read/write rights and when I put something in the trash I'm still getting delete immediately message. I don't know how to fix the second or third condition you list.

I also still show 0 kb available...Thanks for your assistance,

Dan

Jun 23, 2006 2:50 PM in response to Ferd II

Ferd II - sorry about missing the links. Went there and followed the instructions, I didn't have a trashcan by the way. Still when I follow the instructions and go through each step and after rebooting I still get prompted it's going to get deleted immediately.

I also can't apply the read/write to subcontents even though I get prompted for the password...

I can't remove the Virex app (permission thing) or it's scheduler. Went to MacAffey's site...couldn't find anything there. I'll search around here some more, I wouldn't think I'd be the first with this problem?

Thanks for continued help!

Dan

Jun 23, 2006 7:20 PM in response to a brody

A Brody and Ferd II - thanks so much for your assistance today! A Brody reading your last reply I really didn't want to do that...but thought maybe if I deleted other files I could get my trash back...

Anyway I deleted some DVD project files and woo hoo my trash can is back and I have 3 GB of hard drive space! My read writes seem back to normal too.

I used Spotlight to find all "Virex" files/folders and these are now trashed. Successful reboot and I'm feeling much better! 😉

I have now downloaded WhatSize and Monolingual and am deleting all languages except English and US English.

With WhatSize I have found the "missing" 10 GB. It's in a folder "private" off my Hard drive, it's hidden since I don't see it in the finder. One directory contains the 10.4 GB and it's name is "var". Can I just chuck this whole folder "private" into the trash?

Thanks again,

Dan

Jun 23, 2006 8:10 PM in response to a brody

A Brody - thanks so much, I'm considering this problem solved and I hope someone else can find this thread 1/2 as helpful as I have and maybe it'll save some hassle?

I've come to expect upgrades to be so easy on the Mac especially just . changes, ie 10.3 to 10.4. Anyway guessed I missed the warnings about virus protection with Virex, guess I should know better, it was always the first thing software folks said in the past...turn of Virus protection!

Dan - very happy again!

Jun 24, 2006 9:14 AM in response to Absolutely Digital

I had the most unsettling experience last night. I was running several trusted programs when I got a warning that my free disk space was low. I freed up about 1.5Gb and went on about my business (I was not working with large files). I got the warning again and freed up more space. A while later, same thing. This time, I realized something was wrong. Finder said I had about 50MB free... and every few seconds, the free space was diminishing as I was watching!

I shut down all my apps, thinking that maybe one of them was creating a huge scratch file that would disappear when I closed the app, but that wasn't the case. Something was eating my drive and it wasn't any of my apps. I figured that restarting the machine would at least stop the process, so that's what I did.

When the machine finished booting, to my great surprise, the Finder said that I had all my free space back (about 43GB). I've been running those same apps since then and watching Finder like a hawk -- all's well, I've still got my 43GB.

The only new item on the computer was a new widget I installed yesterday. I disabled it, but no guarantee that it was the culprit.

I have a few questions:

1. Is there anything that could give me a clue now as to what was eating the drive? A cursory look at the log files didn't raise any alarms, but I'm no expert.

2. Should it happen again, is there any way of finding out which app is allocating disk space as it's doing it (eg, Activity Monitor)?

3. Any ideas as to what may have happened? Malware? Bug? Precedent?

Thank you very much for any ideas, suggestions, advice, etc.
Ariel

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