Currently Being ModeratedSep 20, 2013 10:04 PM (in response to Darshin145)
I have good news for you. I waited in line this morning and got some really good info, along with a new 5s...
Currently, all iPhone 5s bought without a subsidy in the US are internationally unlocked, meaning you can take them abroad and you'll be able to use any sim. I am travelinig in November and I'm not up for a full subsidy anyways...
With AT&T, if I got a partial subsidy and extended my contract, I would have a locked device for at least 6 months (per AT&T's terms). However, I paid for my phone out of pocket and so it's basically unlocked for international travel. I haven't tried putting in a T-Mobile sim card but when you plug the phone into iTunes it does say it's unlocked.
I was told many times it's not a factory unlock (which seems to be true as those phones don't show an "unlocked" screen on iTunes), but I just need it to work on AT&T in the US and whatever carrier i pick abroad.
Hope this helps!
Currently Being ModeratedSep 21, 2013 8:40 AM (in response to gmn64ultra)
Hi, thank you very much! :)
I still have a question sorry if I didn't catch it,
So will it work with AT&T, what carrier are you using?
As long as it works with AT&T And internationally with other carries I'm good,
Currently Being ModeratedSep 21, 2013 9:00 AM (in response to Darshin145)
Someone correct me if I'm wrong (hopefully with some factual information via a weblink), but there is currently NO Factory Unlocked iPhone 5S for sale in the United States. Factory Unlocked (aka. "Sim-Free") is only offered for the 4S and 5C.
All customers can purchase an iPhone 5S from Apple or respective carrier for the full retail price ($650+) and those devices will be internationally unlocked but locked to the carrier you pick.
In my case, I purchased an AT&T iPhone 5C at full retail price. I did not sign a new contract, pay an upgrade fee, etc. My phone, when plugged into iTunes tells me it's Unlocked. Again, I don't have a T-Mobile Nano-Sim to test if it's fully unlocked (domestic & international) but it's safe to assume I will only be able to use my 5C in the USA with AT&T.
Does this mean that the phone can never be fully unlocked? Probably not - I imagine all carriers and 3rd parties will be able to unlock the device (per-carrier terms, etc.).
Hope this clears up any confusion.
*Contract-Free T-Mobile is not fully unlocked either. T-Mobile no longer has contracts so Apple cannot present the T-Mobile version in the same space as the other carriers on their website. T-Mobile, like the other carriers, likely have the ability/option to fully unlock your device upon request (per-their carrier terms).
Currently Being ModeratedSep 21, 2013 9:29 AM (in response to Darshin145)
If you buy online, the T-Mobile version will only work with T-Mobile in the USA till you get it unlocked by T-Mobile (not sure if they can/will do it immediately). This version is already unlocked for international travel (use with non-US based SIMS).
I don't think you can buy the AT&T version through Apple's website without renewing your contract. You can visit an AT&T or Apple store and purchase the AT&T version without contract though. I got mine at Apple and my friend got his at AT&T.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 21, 2013 9:40 AM (in response to Darshin145)
Oh okay that makes much more sense! :)
So I can go to apple and ask for a att iPhone 5s and pay the full price 649.00?
Call Apple and ask if you want a definitive answer.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 21, 2013 9:45 AM (in response to Darshin145)
Yea, I would second the recommendation of double checking with Apple directly. As Templeton wisely points out, unlocked and sim-free are not the same thing. I found this out the hard way a few years ago after purchasing a sim-free phone and it ended up not really being the right thing for my needs.
Currently Being ModeratedSep 21, 2013 9:20 PM (in response to Darshin145)
Currently Being ModeratedSep 21, 2013 9:52 PM (in response to Darshin145)
I once had the same question and when I called both AT&T and Apple they both said that the phones sold for AT&T are slightly modified because they have TWO antennas in them for multi-tasking. One said the SIM card spot is actually used for the second antenna. If that is true then one can not buy any other phone from anyone else to have it work properly with the AT&T network...or...it may work but it will not be able to multi-task...that was not made clear during my calls. Can anybody confirm ot deny this.?