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  • TJBUSMC1973 Level 5 Level 5 (7,310 points)

    Prokhozhy wrote:

     

    *snip*

    Where is this statement from Apple about the number of devices that are affected?

     

    As far as the legal tapdance, many things are legal or illegal, except in certain circumstances.  It's illegal to shoot someone, unless you are protecting yourself or someone else from a violent crime (your jurisdiction may vary).

    The circumstances of an event matter.  Intent matters.  That's inherent in the law.  Why do you think there's a difference between murder and manslaughter.

     

    Intent most certainly does matter, especially in a court of law.

     

    In the end, you simply refuse to listen to reason, because you are mad.  And I get that!  I understand that!

     

    But your emotionalism and failure to comprehend logic doesn't change reality.

     

    I wish you the best.

  • vaportrails2002 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    JoeBlow2444 wrote:

     

    No. It was not 'apple software' that caused the problem.  It was* the heat produced by a sustained download over wifi. In some cases of failure, the sustained download just happened to be the Apple iOS software, but could have been ANY download- ****, video, pictures, the entire Library of Congress, etc.

     

    *as I understand the issue- I might be wrong.

     

    Funny, I haven't read a single post on here about anyone loosing their wifi after watching a movie or downloading an app...just upgrading to iOS7

     


    Then you'll find out that ALL company's warranties work the same.

     

    What other companies had thousands of their products bite the dust after upgrading their product with their own software?

     

     

    I'd extend that to "if you own an out-of-warranty ANYTHING..."

     

    Again, that's the whole point of a warranty- to fix/replace the device if it fails within an unreasonably short time (aka 'the warranty period').  If it fails OUTSIDE that time, you are on your own.

     

    Ever hear of a recall due to defective parts (chips even)? Vizio did http://hdguru.com/vizio-issues-a-recall-on-large-screen-led-lcd-hdtvs/

  • TJBUSMC1973 Level 5 Level 5 (7,310 points)

    There are posts about that exact scenario on this forum, even if they don't appear in this thread.  And rightfully so, based on the title of this thread.  This thread should only contain situations related directly to the title of this thread.

     

    The Vizio issue in question is a nice reference, thank you.  Those TVs, according to the article that you linked, were sold during fourth quarter of 2012.  The article is from April of 2013.  The Vizio Warranty is one year.

     

    In other words, the recall was done during the warranty period of the tvs that were sold.  And Vizio did not disclose the number of tvs affected. 

     

    This situation is different.  The devices in question that are not being repalced for free by Apple are outside of their one year warranty time period.  It's not an 'Apples to Apples' comparison at all.

  • vaportrails2002 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    TJBUSMC1973 wrote:

     

     

     

    In other words, the recall was done during the warranty period of the tvs that were sold.  And Vizio did not disclose the number of tvs affected. 

     

    This situation is different.  The devices in question that are not being repalced for free by Apple are outside of their one year warranty time period.  It's not an 'Apples to Apples' comparison at all.

    In other words, you just read the "big words" at the top of the page. So quick to make your point with such little reading. They admitted they had chip problems in a group of chips.

     

    It also states that "In addition, ***** is also extending its standard one-year limited warranty to two years from the date of purchase for this specific issue to ensure that customers who purchased the ******  or ****** can continue to enjoy their TV with full peace of mind." I wish I could continue to use our iphone with full peace of mind!

     

    In other words, they messed up, admitted it and extended the warranty on the effected products.

     

    I like at the end where it says "***** remains committed to taking care of its customers"

     

    Too bad Apple isn't

     

    nice try though

    TJBUSMC1973 wrote:

     

    There are posts about that exact scenario on this forum, even if they don't appear in this thread.  And rightfully so, based on the title of this thread.  This thread should only contain situations related directly to the title of this thread.

     

     

    Its a compairison to JoeBlow2444's warranty comment about the effected iphones wifi problems after upgrading to ios 7. So yes, it is directly related.

     

    and again, nice try though

  • JoeBlow2444 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    Funny, I haven't read a single post on here about anyone loosing their wifi after watching a movie or downloading an app...just upgrading to iOS7

     

    Then you haven't looked. A search of these forums reveals plenty of examples:

     

    How to fix a grayed out wifi??

    Author:Minimgh

    Date:Aug 24, 2013

     

    How To Fix Grayed Out Wifi

    Author:hanzo1022

    Date:Jul 23, 2013

     

    my ipods wifi is grayed out what do i do

    Author:Limas75

    Date:Sep 8, 2013

     

    Note how all these were posted BEFORE iOS  7 came out?  Thus, it was not downloading iOS 7 that caused the issue.

    What other companies had thousands of their products bite the dust after upgrading their product with their own software?

    Yet again with the unproven "thousands" claim.

    What other companies have tens of millions of their products all updating all at once?

  • vaportrails2002 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    JoeBlow2444 wrote:

     

     

    Funny, I haven't read a single post on here about anyone loosing their wifi after watching a movie or downloading an app...just upgrading to iOS7

     

     

    Then you haven't looked. A search of these forums reveals plenty of examples:

     

    How to fix a grayed out wifi??

    Author:Minimgh

    Date:Aug 24, 2013

     

    How To Fix Grayed Out Wifi

    Author:hanzo1022

    Date:Jul 23, 2013

     

    my ipods wifi is grayed out what do i do

    Author:Limas75

    Date:Sep 8, 2013

     

    Note how all these were posted BEFORE iOS  7 came out?  Thus, it was not downloading iOS 7 that caused the issue.

     

    What other companies had thousands of their products bite the dust after upgrading their product with their own software?

     

    Yet again with the unproven "thousands" claim.

    What other companies have tens of millions of their products all updating all at once?

    I thought I said "I haven't read a single post on here about anyone loosing their wifi after watching a movie or downloading an app...just upgrading to iOS7" Maybe i needed to say only instead of just, i guess that confused you. You were the one that said people lost their wifi from downloading apps and movies. iOS 6.1.3 also messed up people's wifi. It's the falty chip and the heat caused by downloading the iOS...correct? I think that came out before 7? I'll have to look that one up.

     

     

     

    JoeBlow2444 wrote:

     

     

     

    What other companies had thousands of their products bite the dust after upgrading their product with their own software?

     

    Yet again with the unproven "thousands" claim.

    What other companies have tens of millions of their products all updating all at once?

     

    Tens of Millions all at the same time? What does that have to do with anything?

     

    I wonder how many people went to the store and paid for a replacement, upgraded to a 5 or 5s, is still dealing with the problem, or just went out and bought a different manufactures phone, didn't upgrade yet and never said a word here or anywhere? How many people are out there silently waiting for an Apple solution?

  • JoeBlow2444 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    It's still Apples to oranges.  That issue involved the screen going black. This obviously affected the primary purpose of the tv- watching tv.  On the other hand, not having wifi does not affect the primary purpose of a phone- making calls.

     

    Also, while they mention  "small percentage" and "limited number", they don't actually mention how many units are affected.  Also also, these are 60 or 70 inch tvs, which go for many thousands of dollars, not a phone you could get free with your cellular contract. Also also also, that problem happens in the first few months of use, not after a random time under essentially random conditions.

     

    Again Apples/oranges.

     

    You want Apple to be responsible for anything that happens with their product, forever.

    And that's just now how the world, or a warranty, works.

  • JoeBlow2444 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    You were the one that said people lost their wifi from downloading apps and movies.

    No. I said that the hardware fault could be exposed by the heat caused by sustained downloads.

    It's the falty chip and the heat caused by downloading the iOS...correct?

    As far as I know, it's related to the heat produced by any sustained download. 

    Tens of Millions all at the same time? What does that have to do with anything?

    On any give day, how many people download a few gigabytes of movies in one go?  Very few. So, on any given day, a small percentage of very few people will have a problem.  Most of them will be under warranty, and get the iphone repalced, no problem.  So, you never hear about them.

     

    When iOS 7 came up, tens of millions of people downloaded gigabytes of data. This means that a small percentage of tens of millions had the problem.  That number of people having the problem all at once draws attention. Mind you, it's the same exact problem, but just more attention.

  • Bin Kroon Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Vaportrails, everyone else, just don't bother getting into a discussion with 'some people' on this forum.

    They are just having a lot of fun in what they're doing.

    And they love the attention they are getting as you can see.

     

    The best advise I can give is to just ignore them.....

  • vaportrails2002 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Wrong!

  • vaportrails2002 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    JoeBlow2444 wrote:

     

    On the other hand, not having wifi does not affect the primary purpose of a phone- making calls.

     

    hello? anyone there? It's called a smart phone for a reason. If i just wanted a phone for making calls i would have gotten a free flip phone and not shell out $400 for an iphone.

     

     

    Also, while they mention  "small percentage" and "limited number", they don't actually mention how many units are affected.  Also also, these are 60 or 70 inch tvs, which go for many thousands of dollars, not a phone you could get free with your cellular contract. Also also also, that problem happens in the first few months of use, not after a random time under essentially random conditions.

    Does the number of units or cost make a difference? Are you saying if I paid thousands of $$ for my iphone, that it would be fixed/replaced? When are iphones free? The phone was $400, so I eat the cost of the defect due a result of their ios upgrade? Did you read where they extended the warranty for 2 years on those affected models?

     


    You want Apple to be responsible for anything that happens with their product, forever.

    And that's just now how the world, or a warranty, works.

    I never said that, I want Apple to be responsible for the damage done to the phone due to their own iOS upgrade.

  • vaportrails2002 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    JoeBlow2444 wrote:

     

     

    You were the one that said people lost their wifi from downloading apps and movies.

     

    No. I said that the hardware fault could be exposed by the heat caused by sustained downloads.

     

    No you said "In some cases of failure, the sustained download just happened to be the Apple iOS software, but could have been ANY download- ****, video, pictures, the entire Library of Congress, etc"

     

    Then you gave some forum post examples of something completly different. I asked for the examples of someone having their wifi get grayed out as a result of a sustained download except for the iOS update and you couldn't seal the deal.

     

     

    On any give day, how many people download a few gigabytes of movies in one go?  Very few. So, on any given day, a small percentage of very few people will have a problem.  Most of them will be under warranty, and get the iphone repalced, no problem.  So, you never hear about them.

     

    A lot of people do. That is your average movie size on Netflix (1G-1.5G) but it is over a couple hours, it's streaming...not a direct download in 15 minutes to a half hour like iOS 7 was. So you are saying that every day (any given day) people watching Netlfix have their wifi burn out? Yes, that is what you are saying. Sounds to me like you think iphones can't handle streaming video either?

     

    And what is "a small percentage of very few people?" Even less than a few? Is it like a half a person?

  • vaportrails2002 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Bin Kroon wrote:

     

    Vaportrails, everyone else, just don't bother getting into a discussion with 'some people' on this forum.

    They are just having a lot of fun in what they're doing.

    And they love the attention they are getting as you can see.

     

    The best advise I can give is to just ignore them.....

    I just like hearing their explanations..they are amusing and they just keep going on and on.

  • JoeBlow2444 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    It's called a smart phone for a reason.

    Because it's 'smart'. It can store contacts, run apps (which range from business to games, and more). It has a web browser, etc, etc. 

     

    None of which is dependant on wifi.

     

    Don't get me wrong- wifi is quite handy. But not essential to the main function(s) of the device.

     

    Then you gave some forum post examples of something completly different. I asked for the examples of someone having their wifi get grayed out as a result of a sustained download except for the iOS update and you couldn't seal the deal.

    I gave you examples of people who had the same issue. If you want to try to contact those users and ask if they were downloading a particular something just before the issue ocurred, feel free.  I think it's obvious something happened to cause the issue, and it wasn't installing iOS 7, as that wasn't even out at the time. So that sufficiently proves that it was not the Apple IOS 7 software causing the issue.

    So you are saying that every day (any given day) people watching Netlfix have their wifi burn out? Yes, that is what you are saying.

    No, it's not.  I'm saying that some people who DL a lot of data ALL AT ONCE, not slowly streaming over hours, have this issue.  Once again, it's NOT the ios 7 software causing this. It's a hardware issue that happens when you download a lot of data all at once.  And this hardware issue is covered by the warranty if it happens within the warranty (manuacturers or extended) period. Outside the period, it is not covered.

     

    Sheesh.


  • JoeBlow2444 Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)

    I want Apple to be responsible for the damage done to the phone due to their own iOS upgrade.

    You want Apple to be responsible for an issue with the phone outside of the warranty period.

     

    This is not how warranties work.

     

    This has been explained to you.

     

    It has also been explained to you that it was not the iOS upgrade that caused the problem, as the problem existed before the upgrade.

     

     


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