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Erich Meatleg Level 2 Level 2 (170 points)
A while ago I posted this "call to arms" for Apple users. I want to request that Apple make iChat independant from AOL and I want them to make iChat available for Windows. If anyone has had problems chatting with a PC from a Mac, you know that it can be frustrating even for seasoned computer users of both platforms. A dual platform iChat would be the ultimate answer to the problem and if you want an example of how easy it could work, download Yak for Free ( http://yakforfree.com/ ) and see for yourself. Yak for Free is a chat program for all platforms. IT IS EASY and TROUBLE FREE. You dont need to mess with ports, routers yada yada yada.

If we all request that iChat be made available for windows with the release of "Leopard", we might be able to make Apple fix the problems we have all faced trying to chat with our PC friends and families, and it will make iChat easier to use for everyone. Go here to make the request, I have several times.
http://www.apple.com/feedback/ichat.html

Original posting found here:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=1876979

Original Post (now archived):
WHEN will iChat work with the new AIM?
Posted: Jan 7, 2006 1:37 PM

OK, everyone with a Mac is pretty bright (otherwise we wouldn't have a Mac now would we?) but we are unbelievably tethered to a very controlling company that likes to keep its users stupid: AOL. When I first found out that iChat was dependent on AOL servers, I thought it was a recipe for disaster, and now that disaster is here. The new version of AIM (Triton) does not work with iChat. At least not the video function. Apparently the chat function works, but who the Hades needs that? You can find 20 chat programs with better features than AOL. The only reason Mac users need AOL to work is because not all of us have been successful in converting our family members to Mac yet. I went home for the holidays, bought my brother and mom a Logitech Pro 4000 camera (because Apple has stupidly refused to make iSight available for PC users even though it is far and away the best camera on the market). I installed the latest version of AIM on their computers, came back to my world domination headquarters in Japan and then found out, while still irritable from jetlag, that it DOESN'T WORK. Ridiculous:

http://www.aim.com/helpfaq/startingout/getstarted.adp?aolp=#six
Q: Is AIM Triton compatible with AIM 5.9, AOL 9.0 and iChat?
A: : AIM Triton works seamlessly with AIM 5.9, AOL 9.0 and iChat. You can send and receive instant messages with your buddies using any of these clients. Certain features may not work across all clients at this time. Voice Chat with more than two people only works with other Triton users. Video Chat will work only between two Triton users at this time.

SO, what do we do? Wait on the weak link of the chain to weld itself only to break later again? Here are my answers to my rhetorical question:

Screw AOL! How can you "think different" under a picture of Einstein when you are partnered with a company that teaches its user to use the "AOL Keyword" 'NFL' instead of typing 'NFL.com' into the stupid address bar?!? How should we screw AOL?

1) APPLE SHOULD CREATE ITS OWN CHAT SERVERS. No more dependence on the foolish to promote the communication of the learned. If we can put Apple stores all over the world, we can put up our own chat servers. Time to use some of last year's profits Apple.

2) MAKE ICHAT AVAILABLE FOR WINDOWS USERS AND INDEPENDENT FROM AOL/AIM. Because I want to talk to my family without interruption by stupid platform changes by the idiot herders.

3) MAKE ISIGHT AVAILABLE FOR WINDOWS USERS. Even if only a small percent of PCs have the ability to handle the requirements of iSight, it will dominate the market.

What do you think o' faithful of Apple. Are you with me? It is time to make these demands because I for one am sick of the crippling effect of one lame leg on a biped in a marathon.

Thx
Erich

PowerBook G4, Mac OS X (10.4.6)
  • 1. Re: iChat/AIM on Leopard: PC to Mac chatting
    Rocky Hetherington Level 2 Level 2 (225 points)
    A while ago I posted this "call to arms" for Apple
    users. I want to request that Apple make iChat
    independant from AOL and I want them to make iChat
    available for Windows.


    iChat is independent of AOL. While it can use the same protocol as AIM it can also use the standard I.M. protocol, XMPP (sometimes called Jabber).

    True, iChat's support for XMPP is not as good its support for AIM, which i personally think is a big mistake (especially considering Apple often promotes the importance of standards), but the basics are there. Hopefully Leopard will bring a vast improvement.

    I don't object to Apple making a version of iChat for Windows if they wish to, but at the same time i don't really see the need. If Apple stick to the standards, and other client creators stick to the standards then everything should just work.

    If Apple do decide to make a Windows version of iChat i hope they make it use the XMPP protocol solely (and make it the best XMPP client in existence).

    I also hope that if there is a Windows version of iChat we don't get the same situation as we do now with iTunes, where iChat is held back from using lots of wonderful OS X technologies just so the same codebase can be used for both OS X and Windows.

    iBook G4   Mac OS X (10.4.6)  
  • 2. Re: iChat/AIM on Leopard: PC to Mac chatting
    Erich Meatleg Level 2 Level 2 (170 points)
    iChat is independent of AOL.


    what i mean, is that i hope that PC users are not expected to download AIM to connect to iChatting mac users in the future. im just glad we dont have to look at that silly yellow AIM figure on the ichat logo anymore...

    If Apple do decide to make a Windows version of iChat i hope they make it use the XMPP protocol solely (and make it the best XMPP client in existence).


    that sounds like a great idea! the only bad thing about jabber is that it cant do video chat with ichat... i hope that can change too...
  • 3. Re: iChat/AIM on Leopard: PC to Mac chatting
    Rj in WI Level 6 Level 6 (8,030 points)
    Erich:

    You make some compelling remarks. Let apple hear them! http://www.apple.com/feedback

    This is a user to user forum. While they forums are monitored, your best best bet is to leave your feedback at the above URL.
  • 4. Re: iChat/AIM on Leopard: PC to Mac chatting
    Erich Meatleg Level 2 Level 2 (170 points)
    thank you... i have left some feedback on the feedback part of the site. i only hope enough people, especially people that know more about networking and the technical aspect of video conferencing, will submit these ideas and others to the feedback portion of the site to make a difference...
  • 5. Re: iChat/AIM on Leopard: PC to Mac chatting
    Erich Meatleg Level 2 Level 2 (170 points)
    has anyone tried the new mac version of yahoo messenger? does it have sound with the video? if so, that may be another option over iChat when chatting with PCs...
  • 6. Re: iChat/AIM on Leopard: PC to Mac chatting
    Rocky Hetherington Level 2 Level 2 (225 points)
    I don't believe the current beta does audio, just video. I have read elsewhere that audio is expected in the next beta but i don't know how reliable it is.

    I had a look at the client last week and GUI-wise it is a very nice client. It certainly looks nicer than iChat.

    I wouldn't use Yahoo! Messenger though as Yahoo! don't seem to get it and are still using their crufty old proprietary protocol rather than XMPP.
  • 7. Re: iChat/AIM on Leopard: PC to Mac chatting
    Erich Meatleg Level 2 Level 2 (170 points)
    I wouldn't use Yahoo! Messenger though as Yahoo!
    don't seem to get it and are still using their
    crufty old proprietary protocol rather than XMPP.


    drat. i guess if apple doesnt make ichat for windows then we will have to hope that googletalk is going to use XMPP....
  • 8. Re: iChat/AIM on Leopard: PC to Mac chatting
    Rocky Hetherington Level 2 Level 2 (225 points)
    drat. i guess if apple doesnt make ichat for windows
    then we will have to hope that googletalk is going to
    use XMPP....


    Google Talk already uses XMPP. The Gtalk servers even has open s2s connections so anyone on any open XMPP/Jabber server in the world can effortlessly I.M. a user on Gtalk.

    I use my own XMPP server (i'm running Wildfire: http://www.jivesoftware.org/wildfire) to text I.M. people on the Gtalk service. I can also initiate voice calls from iChat on my own server to iChat users on Gtalk with no problems.
  • 9. Re: iChat/AIM on Leopard: PC to Mac chatting
    Erich Meatleg Level 2 Level 2 (170 points)
    Google Talk already uses XMPP. The Gtalk servers
    even has open s2s connections so anyone on any open
    XMPP/Jabber server in the world can effortlessly I.M.
    a user on Gtalk.


    i have IMed to googletalk with ichat/jabber, but it still isnt possible to do video chat to googlechat correct? is it possible for someone with video chat from googletalk (pc) to ichat/jabber (mac)?

    I use my own XMPP server (i'm running Wildfire:
    http://www.jivesoftware.org/wildfire) to text I.M.
    people on the Gtalk service. I can also initiate
    voice calls from iChat on my own server to iChat
    users on Gtalk with no problems.


    thi still cannot do video chat though right?
    (ToT)
  • 10. Re: iChat/AIM on Leopard: PC to Mac chatting
    Rj in WI Level 6 Level 6 (8,030 points)
    I've conducted video chats via Google/Jabber from iChat to iChat.
  • 11. Re: iChat/AIM on Leopard: PC to Mac chatting
    Erich Meatleg Level 2 Level 2 (170 points)
    i was hoping to hear that someone had conducted video chats from ichat/jabber on a mac to googletalk on a pc...
    probly too good to hope for...
  • 12. Re: iChat/AIM on Leopard: PC to Mac chatting
    Rj in WI Level 6 Level 6 (8,030 points)
    I'd be happy to try. Do you know or have a client of a Jabber program that supports video for the PC? I'd by happy to test it with you!
  • 13. Re: iChat/AIM on Leopard: PC to Mac chatting
    Erich Meatleg Level 2 Level 2 (170 points)
    no i dont have of any....
    i wish i did, i would force my PC using family members to download it....
  • 14. Re: iChat/AIM on Leopard: PC to Mac chatting
    Rj in WI Level 6 Level 6 (8,030 points)
    I thought I read that Trillian had a plug in for Jabber, but I'm unsure if it supports video.

    Wish I had better news for you!
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