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Gerrit7 Level 1 Level 1

I read that OS X Mavericks will no longer allow me to use iTunes to sync my iPhone to a local system but makes iCloud mandatory? Is that correct?


iCloud is not a valid option for me since I have no control about my data there, I need to keep all my data (contacts, calendar...) on a system under my control and so far iTunes allowed me to do that which was one of the reasons I didn't even consider Android or Windows Phone.

OS X Mountain Lion (10.8.5)
  • WiseJD Level 4 Level 4

    You must have iTunes 11.1 on your Mac to Sync.  If your Mac is too old to use an OS X that will support the latest iTunes, then you will need to sync with iCloud or get a Mac that can support an OS X that can support iTunes 11.1, or use a PC that will support iTunes 11.1.  iCloud Backup is secure and your iPhone can be set to do Auto-Backup each night.

  • Meg St._Clair Level 9 Level 9

    Gerrit7 wrote:


    I read that OS X Mavericks will no longer allow me to use iTunes to sync my iPhone to a local system but makes iCloud mandatory? Is that correct?

    Discussion of beta software isn't permitted in the general forums. We're all just going to have to wait and see what the final release of Mavericks looks like.


    Everything that is publicly know about Mavericks is here:



    Best of luck.

  • Gerrit7 Level 1 Level 1

    I do have the latest iTunes on 10.8.5 and local sync works. I was considering the Upgrade to Mavericks once it is released but can't do that if local sync (via cable or WLAN) is no longer possible after the Upgrade.

  • RobertCailliau Level 1 Level 1

    Could you guys please answer Gerrit7's question!


    From what I understand the answer is YES: in Mavericks there is no longer a way to sync any i-device except through the cloud.


    I use BusyCal and Missing Sync, and both companies have confirmed that syncing in Mavericks (using standard software) can only be done with a cloud service.

    You can look at eid=615

    and at


    Speaking to support of BusyMac, I obtained the information that for calendars it is still possible to run a calDAV server under your own control, and sync through that.

    For contacts, apps, notes and the like the only way is the cloud, and I suspect only Apple's iCloud.


    I fully agree with Gerrit7 that this is NOT acceptable.  I want control over my data. The argument that iCloud is secure is NOT an answer to his question as he clearly stated that was not an option.  It is not for me either: I will not go around with a leash around my neck.


    I will probably set up a calDAV server on my home LAN's linux server, so I can still do it off-net.


    For the other data I will have these options:

    (1) switch to linux everywhere (but what a chore...)

    (2) stay with Snow Leopard or Mountain Lion (the latter being a pest too) but that is fragile in the longer term

    (3) write my own sync software, but this will also mean I have to write my own apps for my mobile devices.


    Solution 3 is a real chore, and the resulting software would not be sharable since it would not pass the App Store requirements. I would have to run it for myself only.  It can be done though, relatively easily, using a combination of Applescript and LiveCode.

  • PaulB112 Level 1 Level 1

    @Robert I agree.  This was hardly publicized.  I would have never upgraded.  You must have both options.


    a further scan of

    tells nothing of requiring people to use iCloud

  • Mark2006 Level 1 Level 1

    Okay, this is horrible.  I am hoping for an answer as well.  I absolutely cannot use iCloud for sync and am amazed that removal of local sync through iTunes was not mentioned.  I am sorry I don't have a solution, just responding as well to point out the urgency of this issue.

  • Gerrit7 Level 1 Level 1

    Just to make sure everyone understands where I am coming from...


    I don't live in the USA, so using iCloud to sync very private data (contacts, notes, calendar...) would mean to have that data be stored on a server under someone else's control in another country with quite different laws concerning access to it.


    This is just not acceptable for me.


    Local sync through iTunes via cable or WLAN to my MBP works for me so far without having to go through the pain of setting up some 3rd party software or go without sync.

  • boglott Level 1 Level 1

    The same here. Google lives from that data, so it's clear they want everything. But we are paying thousands of $ each year to Apple. This is really outrageous. They had the technology to keep your data on your devices, it was working.


    Apple is from a country which secret services are not trustworthy as has been proved. Most other services which the iOS devices support are based in that same country.

  • Michael Black Level 7 Level 7

    boglott wrote:


    But we are paying thousands of $ each year to Apple. This is really outrageous.


    For what ?  iCloud is free, OS X Mavericks is free, iOS 7 is free.  If you are buying "thousands of $ each year" in hardware, that is your choice.

  • KiltedTim Level 9 Level 9

    boglott wrote:


    But we are paying thousands of $ each year to Apple.

    Excuse me?  Maybe you'd like to clarify this?  WHO is paying thousands of $ each year to Apple? And why? I'm certainly not...

  • boglott Level 1 Level 1

    I have a MacBook Pro, AppleTV, iPhone, iPad, Magic Mouse, TimeCapsule, intl. power adapter, 2 smart covers, AppleCare, lots of paid apple software, etc. If I sum it up ad divide it over the time I use it, I'm certainly slightly over 1000$ a year. Many of the Apple users I know are in teh same region.

    Maybe you only have an iPhone and don't replace it every year (neither do I, btw).

  • Mark2006 Level 1 Level 1

    I don't think the issue is what we are or are not paying.  It has to do with comfort in storing information locally rather than on a cloud, iCloud, server.  An example, client lists or patient lists/schedules are probably not approriate for cloud storage.  I think the other issue is the unannounced nature of this change to only cloud sync.   Also, will Apple be willing to make changes to return local sync?


    To this end, can one choose to return to Mountain Lion after upgrading?

  • KiltedTim Level 9 Level 9

    That is NOT the same as paying Apple thousands of $ each year. You chose to purchase their products. No one is holding a gun to your head and forcing you to upgrade to Mavericks. Just don't upgrade... If you don't upgrade, everything will continue to work just as it always has.  What is your problem with that?


    As for me, I have 2 iMacs, an iPad, 2 iPhones, an Apple TV, and 2 iPods... Even adding them altogether and dividing it out based on the age of the oldest device I own, I'm not "paying Apple thousands of $ each year"... not even close.

  • WiseJD Level 4 Level 4

    I have been trying to look through any official Apple documentation to find out for sure that the tried-and-true local iPhone to Computer Sync is no longer an option with OS X Mavericks.  All the Support documents / manuals that I have found don't cover Mavericks specifically or iTunes 11.1.2

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