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Nov 14, 2013 5:02 PM in response to brollyjohnby petermac87,brollyjohn wrote:
Thanks goes out to Barney for that heroic level code but most users won't be able to execute that. Users are finding it helpful
However, this is still a consumer rights and privacy issue as well as a technical one.
There is no mention of the loss of local sync in apple's documentation until you read the help info POST-upgrade. But by then a lot of users are stuck in Mavebricks land.
I would have loved to see Phil Schiller recite Barney's code at the Keynote and end with his usual,
"It's THAT simple."
http://themolly.com/blog/2013/10/27/os-x-mavericks-forces-ios-calendar-contact-s yncing-into-icloud/
Most can. It's probably only the illiterate ones, who also can't use iCloud that may struggle.If you can't understand, then you are one of the ones that probably should return to your old OSX with the backup you ade and cease insulting the users here that are at least having a go at returning funtionality requested by the likes of yourself. What, pray tell, has been your offering?
Pete
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Nov 14, 2013 5:16 PM in response to brollyjohnby Barney-15E,"It's THAT simple."
http://themolly.com/blog/2013/10/27/os-x-mavericks-forces-ios-calendar-contact-s yncing-into-icloud/
It's actualy as simple as,
Copy the Baikal server folder to your web root.
Rename the folder so you can identify it.
Set permissions so your web server process can access it.
Enable PHP and DAV on your web server config.
Create a virtual host that references the Baikal server folder.
Restart your web server.
Configure the Baikal server using it's web tools.
It could be rolled all into an installer by someone capable of providing it. I'm not that person.
For OS X Server, it's clicking a few checkboxes, I imagine. That's pretty simple.
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Nov 14, 2013 6:11 PM in response to petermac87by brollyjohn,I think you're probably being a little sensitive. Please show me where I have been insulting to you or anyone else. I'm angry at apple right now but not at other mac users most of whom want to help others in their own way.
I think I've done my best to tell users to avoid using an iCloud that has potentially serious privacy and security vulnerabilities.
I also think that apple should have told people up front about the loss of local sync. That's why people are upset.
Our personal information and data is private and it's also a commodity. Apple, google, amazon microsoft etc etc all know that.
I'm among those who are now stuck in Mavericks and can't downgrade. Aside from huge loss of local sync, it's a good, stable, free upgrade.
I mean they finally took off that crappy leather and stupid page flipping skeumorphic crap but also took away core functionality.
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Nov 14, 2013 6:13 PM in response to brollyjohnby KiltedTim,brollyjohn wrote:
I also think that apple should have told people up front about the loss of local sync. That's why people are upset.
They documented this when OS X 10.7 was released.
Our personal information and data is privat and it's also a commodity. Apple, google, amazon microsoft etc etc all know that.
If you honestly believe that, you're living in a dream world.
I'm among those who are now stuck in Mavericks and can't downgrade. Aside from huge loss of local sync, it's a good, stable, free upgrade.
Why, exactly, are you "stuck in Mavericks and can't downgrade"? Downgrading may be somewhat time consuming, but it's not rocket science.
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Nov 14, 2013 6:16 PM in response to brollyjohnby petermac87,brollyjohn wrote:
Thanks goes out to Barney for that heroic level code but most users won't be able to execute that. Users are finding it helpful
I would have loved to see Phil Schiller recite Barney's code at the Keynote and end with his usual,
"It's THAT simple."
That's a start.
How about
I mean they finally took off that crappy leather and stupid page flipping skeumorphic crap but also took away core functionality.
You can tell as many people as you like about the old feature and how it has now gone, but why do you have to attempt (and poorly) to demean someone such as Barney for offering a solution, simply because you can't understand it?
Pete
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Nov 14, 2013 6:50 PM in response to petermac87by brollyjohn,I never meant to demean Barney. I truly respect people with the tech skils who are trying to help others. I am incapable of making such helpful code suggestions.
Ok, I also apologize to the apple 10.8 address book/ical design team for making now forgotten skeumorphic classics.
Kiltedtim
You're right it was in 10.7 but it's not in the 10.9 documentation which is the issue at hand.
Of course data is a commodity. A lot of users make cloud use choices based on the hardware they own (ie. icloud and apple products) and vice versa. There is big money involved.
This issue isn't a simple FOR or AGAINST issue really. There are a lot of users who just want to get back to work with their devices in the simple manner that worked up to now.
Can I downgrade if I don't have a time machine backup I can go to?
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Nov 14, 2013 7:01 PM in response to brollyjohnby Barney-15E,Clone your internal drive to an external.
Make sure it works.
Erase the internal and reinstall the previous OS.
Move your files from the external clone to your internal.
For things with a Library, such as iPhoto, iMovie, etc, you'll have to export the files, then import them into the new old Libraries.
You should be able to export the contacts to a Contacts Archive (File menu, Export) and import that into the restored account by double-clicking on it.
For Calendar events, I don't know about those.
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Nov 14, 2013 7:32 PM in response to Barney-15Eby brollyjohn,Thanks Barney!
Had a few ethernet connectivity issues with 10.8 that seems to have been resolved in 10.9 so I'll weight the option.
Much appreciated.
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Nov 14, 2013 8:57 PM in response to Barney-15Eby Al Cellier,To Barney - Many thanks for your posts, and those of James Richards that led me to yours. Coincidentally, I just today started looking at Naikal, having delved into Apache and php yesterday (this on a 10.6.8 Mac Mini, core2duo that cannot run past 10.6.8). Your instructions have clarified several of my questions and I hope that tomoprrow I can get this running.
To the person who was concerned about a Server installation having changed Apache settings(and I am loathe to wade back through the spam to find who it was) - be aware that the Apache2 folder includes a copy of all the original setup files, which can be easily copied to the working locations.
...Alfred
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Nov 14, 2013 10:05 PM in response to Michael Blackby montasolo,What you're saying is in contradition to what Apple is saying on the link you provided:
Note: These instructions apply only if you use OS X v.10.8.5 or earlier. If you use OS X Mavericks v.10.9 or later, your contacts, calendars, and other info are updated on your computers and iOS devices via iCloud. For more information, see iCloud Help at icloud.com. -
by Matt Schultz,Nov 14, 2013 10:09 PM in response to DiederikStaay
Matt Schultz
Nov 14, 2013 10:09 PM
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Windows SoftwareDiederikStaay wrote:
KiltedTim wrote:
Whether or not the LAN used the same protocol is immaterial. You have lost all credibility. It's probably best you just quit while you're ahead.
Always there to help, aren't you? Much appreciated.
Ignore his highness the princess. Concentrate on your syncing needs.
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Nov 14, 2013 10:30 PM in response to Matt Schultzby petermac87,Matt Schultz wrote:
DiederikStaay wrote:
KiltedTim wrote:
Whether or not the LAN used the same protocol is immaterial. You have lost all credibility. It's probably best you just quit while you're ahead.
Always there to help, aren't you? Much appreciated.
Ignore his highness the princess. Concentrate on your syncing needs.
I think people would be better to ignore you. What is your advice on the matter?
Cheers
Pete
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Nov 14, 2013 11:49 PM in response to Csound1by ciu5781,Csound1 wrote:
Upgrading to Mavericks was your choice, doing so without checking that the services you require are available was your failure. Stop blaming others for your poor decision.
You on this mavericks forum have been continuing saying users aren't forced to use cloud service to sync. FALSE. Don't you give up? You seem screwed up.
Csound1 wrote:
You are not forced to use iCloud
You are not forced to use iCloud
You are not forced to use iCloud
You are not forced to use iCloud
hmm well..
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Nov 15, 2013 12:01 AM in response to ciu5781by petermac87,ciu5781 wrote:
Csound1 wrote:
Upgrading to Mavericks was your choice, doing so without checking that the services you require are available was your failure. Stop blaming others for your poor decision.
You on this mavericks forum have been continuing saying users aren't forced to use cloud service to sync. FALSE. Don't you give up? You seem screwed up.
Csound1 wrote:
You are not forced to use iCloud
You are not forced to use iCloud
You are not forced to use iCloud
You are not forced to use iCloud
hmm well..
Barney posted a working fix back some pages, probably hidden amongst all the spam posts like yours. Give that a try instead of just complaining. Others are at least trying, you are either incapable of it or just too.........well........try it.
Cheers
Pete
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Nov 15, 2013 1:49 AM in response to ciu5781by Csound1,Upgrading to Mavericks was your choice, doing so without checking that the services you require are available was your failure. Stop blaming others for your poor decision.