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Nov 23, 2013 5:08 PM in response to Ryksby petermac87,Ryks wrote:
Dear Pete,
even though your message was not addressed to me,
No it wasn't.
especially in the hope that some guys from Apple are reading this thread.
No they are not.
Cheers
Pete
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Nov 23, 2013 10:31 PM in response to Ryksby Chris CA,1. this is an invasion to privacy.
How so?
Your informarion is not being accesed by Apple nor shared with anyone.
Any chance you use gmail? Because that IS being accessed by Google.
as far as sending a request to Apple feedback, I did so, but I wonder how many thousands requests of the same kind they must receive before they start actually caring about them.
How many suggestions do you think it should take for Apple to even consider changing something?
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Nov 24, 2013 2:21 AM in response to Gerrit7by Roswell Ranger,Well this is very unfortunate.
I was wondering why my contacts, bookmarks, and calendars weren't syncing anymore.
I had to do a web search to discover that the "sync via iTunes" feature for these apps has been removed.
I have the same privacy concerns as everyone else. I do not want to use iCloud for personal information.
I have submitted feedback to Apple.
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Nov 24, 2013 4:15 AM in response to Chris CAby DigiAngel,Chris, might want to read www.apple.com/privacy and you'll find that Apple IS accessing your information (heh, that YOU provided to them of course ).
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Nov 24, 2013 4:38 AM in response to Chris CAby Ju from France,Hello Chris !
You write :
"Your informarion is not being accesed by Apple nor shared with anyone."
Did you read this :
or this :
https://discussions.apple.com/message/18559382#18559382
or this :
http://www.emptyage.com/post/28679875595/yes-i-was-hacked-hard
or this :
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/08/apple-amazon-mat-honan-hacking/
I don't think that there is a bad intention from Apple. But there is - of course ! - a possibility of misuse of your data on the cloud.
Of course this misuse may exist also with locally stored data.
But a) it's a bit more difficult to get acces b) it's less interesting because less data and c) everybody can choose, how many security-items he or she will use.
regards
JU
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Nov 24, 2013 6:53 AM in response to Gerrit7by Simvir,Personal data are supposed to be private.
I bought multiple devices from Apple (MBPro, Air, iPhone, iPad, TimeCapsule, multiple Apple TV), so I can build my personal network on the same technology! This is not enough?!? Now i have to go out, in the iCould, to sync MY contacts and calendar?
It is unacceptable. I'm EXTREMELY disappointed.
Does anybody has figure a way to work around this power trip of Apple?
In 2010 when I quit Microsoft to go to Apple, I was disappointed to see that Microsoft and Apple were not on working together to have my Microsoft Outlook "OS Mac", sync with my iPhone. So I accepted to forget about A superior mail system in Outlook to go with Apple.
This time, i'm so frustrated, so confuse about the goal of Apple, when we have more and more datas, doesn't make any sense that we shovel our data out in the iCould!
I want to own my PERSONAL DATA! Please give us back this RIGHT!
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Nov 24, 2013 7:07 AM in response to Simvirby Barney-15E,Simvir wrote:
Personal data are supposed to be private.
I bought multiple devices from Apple (MBPro, Air, iPhone, iPad, TimeCapsule, multiple Apple TV), so I can build my personal network on the same technology! This is not enough?!? Now i have to go out, in the iCould, to sync MY contacts and calendar?
You apparently failed to read the entire thread. I posted a local sync solution back in the 60's somewhere.
I want to own my PERSONAL DATA! Please give us back this RIGHT!
Your personal data is only a "right" if you create the system on which it is stored. If you depend on someone else, then you have bequeathed that "right."
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Nov 24, 2013 7:34 AM in response to Simvirby Csound1,Microsoft took the decision not to support iCloud (or any other Dav service) in Outlook for Mac, even though they do support it in the Windows version. Complain to them.
Using iCloud is a choice, if you don't like it, don't use it.
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Nov 24, 2013 10:19 AM in response to DigiAngelby Chris CA,DigiAngel wrote:
Chris, might want to read www.apple.com/privacy and you'll find that Apple IS accessing your information (heh, that YOU provided to them of course ).
Info you provide to them (for purchases and gifting) is far different than info you put into iCloud.
You are not giving them info you put into iCloud.
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Nov 24, 2013 11:10 AM in response to Ju from Franceby WH,Ju from France wrote:
I don't think that there is a bad intention from Apple. But there is - of course ! - a possibility of misuse of your data on the cloud.
In my opinion, the point is not misuse or bad intention.
I think, the point is loose of control of our personal data. Of our privacy.
If we share our data, to Google, Yahoo, Apple, any Cloud and so on, it is our decision.
If anyone else uses our data without our control, this is a point to think about, if we citizens will agree with that.
The future could be, that customers get off.
Get off from that kind of services, get off from that kind of politics.
Last day I read, that LG Smart TVs may send data of seen programs and USB-drive files back home.
In Germany, some month ago, politics made a new law, that municipals can sell the data of their citizens.
Shortly after that decision, they went back because of the overall discussion and critics.
The privacy issue gets everytime more and more important and critical.
And there is much, and from time to time more interest from different groups to revise citizens data.
So, we can decide about our future and rights, in every election. Or we ignore things and live with what they offer to us the easy way.
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Nov 24, 2013 11:03 AM in response to Simvirby Marc Wilson,Simvir wrote:
I want to own my PERSONAL DATA! Please give us back this RIGHT!
No one took away your personal data. No one took away your right to keep your personal data private. But, Apple does not have to perpetually provide some facility you want, any more than you have to use any or all facilities Apple provides.
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Nov 24, 2013 11:50 AM in response to Gerrit7by 伊藤R,For those of you who believe that Apple doesn't access your data: Read their iCloud T&Cs...
It clearly says that Apple reserves the right to screen data uploaded to their servers. And you know what the Yanks are up to. A picture of your 16yr old son drinking a can of beer, which is perfectly legal in most parts of the world, might well be a "crime" under US law
Also, it is well known that Apple has cooperated with the NSA in their PRISM program. And you know, a liar will not be believed even when he speaks the truth.
That's why my advice is to stay well clear of any US service, encrypt your data when sending them via an US server and do not trust US companies in regards of data protection and stabilty (power outages in the US, anyone?)
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Nov 24, 2013 12:03 PM in response to Marc Wilsonby sdb2013,Marc's correct. No one took away our privacy or violated our "rights". The vendor chose to cripple a basic function that many customers need as part of a corporate strategy to move people to their storage product. Had I understood this clearly prior to purchasing my iPad Air last week, I would have known that their products no longer work locally, by design. To Apple's credit and my benefit, they have a 14 day return policy which I will utilize tomorrow. Welcome to corporate mediated computing. No conspiracy, just commerce.
No help to imbedded users such as yourself, but there is the option of returning to the prior OS, sacrificing any benefit from the new OS or Server, useless when you work in the field. I'm not happy with the options, but, thanks to users here, I know what they are.
As for "rights", in the US, privacy is a fundamental of our founding that we choose to sacrifice for convenience, or allow because we're not willing or able to fight to preserve it. Most Europeans understand that one. A necessary dialog, for another forum.
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Nov 24, 2013 12:08 PM in response to 伊藤Rby Chris CA,伊藤R wrote:
For those of you who believe that Apple doesn't access your data: Read their iCloud T&Cs...
It clearly says that Apple reserves the right to screen data uploaded to their servers.
"Removal of Content
You acknowledge that Apple is not responsible or liable in any way for any Content provided by others and has no duty to pre-screen such Content. However, Apple reserves the right at all times to determine whether Content is appropriate and in compliance with this Agreement, and may pre-screen, move, refuse, modify and/or remove Content at any time, without prior notice and in its sole discretion, if such Content is found to be in violation of this Agreement or is otherwise objectionable."
Doesn't say they are doing anything other than this.
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